Anyone heard of a Waner/Collins/Speaker… 3k hit ticket
 

Anyone seen or heard of a Waner/Collins/Speaker/Cobb/Lajoie/Wagner 3k hit ticket?

I have seen, online/auctions/shows, a total of five - Musial 3,000th hit tickets, which seems to be the oldest 3,000th hit ticket out there. I have never seen or even heard of a Paul Waner 3,000th hit ticket or from any of those prior to him.

I find the PSA weight (difficulty) on tickets interesting (and in great need of updating). PSA rates the difficulty of finding the Waner ticket as 7 - http://www.psacard.com/psasetregistr...on.aspx?c=5270, the same as a Clemente, (which I have cateloged there being 32 Clemente 3,000ths). Why is Collins and Speaker rated an 8, does that mean that someone has seen one, same with Lajoie being a 9? Lastly, why is Kaline rated a 3 (lower att, away game, and many less have been offered [I have seen less than 10]) than Clemente.

What would a Anson 3000th go for, if one was found? Does anyone have a ticket (or seen one) that Anson has even played in, and if so what did it go for? Please post a photo if you have one.

Info on the difficult 3,000ths
Lou Brock - August 13, 1979 Att: 44,457 Home (PSA weight 3)
Pete Rose - May 5, 1978 Att: 37,823 Home (PSA weight 3)
Al Kaline - September 24, 1974 Att: 11,492 Away (PSA weight 3)
Roberto Clemente - September 30, 1972 Att: 13,117 Home (PSA weight 7)
Willie Mays - July 18, 1970 Att: 28,879 Home (PSA weight 4)
Hank Aaron - May 17, 1970 Att: 33,217 Away at Reds (PSA weight 4)
Stan Musial - May 13, 1958 Att: 5,692 Away at Cubs (PSA weight 5)
Paul Waner - June 19, 1942 Att: 3,304 Home (PSA weight 7)
Eddie Collins - June 3, 1925 Away at Det (PSA weight 8)
Tris Speaker - May 17, 1925 Home (PSA weight 8)
Ty Cobb - August 19, 1921 Home (PSA weight 10)
Nap Lajoie - September 27, 1914 Att: 3,100 Home (PSA weight 9)
Honus Wagner - June 9, 1914 at Phillies (PSA weight 10)
Cap Anson (PSA weight 10)

Speak
 

Hi Jeff,
Good question!
I have collected baseball tickets for over 43 years.
At one time I owned a Tris Speaker 3,000th hit ticket which is still in the hobby. I collected the 3,000 hit theme for many years before narrowing my collection focus which is related to power pitching (no-hitters, high strikeouts, 200 & 300 win) tickets.

The ticket was discovered perhaps 20-25 years ago in a frame along with 2-3 Cleveland Indians World Series tickets from the 1920's by a close hobby friend in the Cleveland area that specializes in ephemera. The ticket stub did not have a printed date, but did have the date written on the back in pencil. All of the tickets in the frame had pencil date inscriptions on the back written by the same patron.

I have never heard of the other 3,000 hit tickets that you inquired about existing in the hobby. I hope this helps!

Tris Speaker 3,000th hit ticket
 

Scott, thanks for the info.

Is there anything else you can state about the ticket? Do you have a pic of it or can you get one? Does your friend still have it, if not what did it sell/trade for?

I know a lot of questions, but I find it interesting that there is nothing out there about the pre-Musial tickets on what I would view as probably the 4th or 5th most collectible set of tickets (After: World Series, Superbowl, All-Star and maybe 500 HR).

Does anyone have a Musial 3000th ticket that they can post a pic of?

Hi Jeff,
Sorry, no pictures of either the Tris Speaker or the Stan Musial 3,000th hit to show you. I did own a beautiful Musial 3,000th stub as well, but these have been gone for many years.

The collector that I sold the Tris Speaker ticket did sell it to another collector that has what I believe to be the best 3,000th hit registry.

As a response to your comment about the scarcity of earlier 3,000th hit tickets, I would like to pass along some interesting info that I have learned along the way and you might find interesting:

3,000 hits and 3,000 strikeouts were not newsworthy at the time that these events occurred. When I owned the Speaker ticket I recall looking up archived microfilm (it has been a long time LOL) box scores and write up about the game. Not a single newspaper that I looked at commented on the 3,000 hit milestone! At the time it wasn't apparently something that the sports writers of the day even talked about. The fact that Speaker was only the 2nd batsman to accomplish it at the time in the modern era (Cobb being the other), you would think it would be worth mentioning, but no!

Along the same lines, Walter Johnson reached 3,000 K's and I'm not sure that he received much press on this as well at the time.
Perhaps this is why tickets were not saved; these milestones were not celebrated...

Also consider that a perfect game was not called a "perfect game" until CWS hurler Charlie Robertson hurled his in 1922 against Ty Cobb's Detroit Tigers. In the modern era (Post 1900), two pitchers had already hurled what we call a perfect game today: Cy Young and Addie Joss, not to mention the pitchers that accomplished it at the 50' mound distance, not the current 60' 6" standard.

Stan Musial 3,000th hit Ticket
 

These are the Stan Musial 3000th hit tickets that I have seen online auctions/shows

Seat Number - info
17-1-3 - Sold from Chicago Tix
39-1-1 - PSA graded: PR 1
79-7-6 - Pen writing on back. Sold on ebay 2013
79-7-8 - Pen writing on back (Stan Musial 3000 hits), staple holes and indentation. Sold on ebay 2013
87-1-7 - PSA graded 4MK, small stub (http://www.psacard.com/psasetregistr...te.aspx?c=5270)

Jeff,
I also know of 4 of these stubs (adjoining seats) that were in EXMT-NM condition that all came from a large collection from Chicago. My Stan Musial 3,000 hit ticket that I once owned came out of this collection. Remember that many (perhaps most) tickets do not get PSA graded by ticket collectors. I know several collectors that don't slab tickets including myself...

A very close hobby friend of mine Joe DeMattio (RIP) in about 1999 or 2000 bought this HUGE collection of several thousand sports tickets (mostly baseball, but other sports as well) that were all attended by one sports loving family in Chicago. The overall condition of these tickets was also exceptional!

The tickets that were part of this collection were truly amazing. Mantles 1st HR, several no-hitters (including Bob Feller's Opening Day no-hitter), Banks 500th HR, Musial 3,000th hit, etc. etc., etc.
Truly an epic pickup! :eek: :cool:

I thought Pete Rose's 3000th hit ticket was not the easiest to find, but not scarce either. His Cobb breaking hit ticket was very easy, but the one that surprised me was the ticket for his last hit. I mean, I haven't seen one and nobody talks about it. It is the record hit ticket so you would think it should have some interest.

Scott, a bit off topic but do you have a ticket from Charlie Robertson's perfect game? I've never seen one but do recall a nicely scored program from the game selling on eBay a few years back for around $275.00. Adam

Scott, also, how many Wynn 300 tix would you say are out there?

Thanks, Ken

response to op PSA weighting question
 

Let me start by stating I think the weighting system could use a huge overhaul - I don't expect it will ever happen as many current "leaders" would be not too happy. The way they weight the cards (I am presuming they do tickets the same way) according to a number of conversations I had with them is based on the value/price of the card in PSA 8. That would help explain why a Clemente stub which is a bit more available is as high a weight as some that are less available. Hope that helps.

Mays 3000th
 

Thanks Howard, still does not make sense why a Waner has the same weight as a Clemente, when a Waner is unheard of. Grant it the highest known Clemente was a PSA 5 (http://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-co...-82033.s#Photo), but that is also the highest for a Kaline (that I know of), which is weighted a 3.

Anyone see the Mays 3000 that went on ebay on 7/3/15 for $363. It was in really rough shape, but is a tough find (only 1 or 2 come up per year). I have cataloged only 7. Would appreciate if anyone could post a photo or give info on any others.

Here are the Mays 3000th hit I have seen:
Seat # / Note
3-2-3: PSA Authentic sold on Lelands 7/25/2014
3-2-4: PSA Authentic sold on Lelands 7/14/2014
4-7-14: PSA 3 Sold on Huggins and Scott 3/24/2010
10-1B-1: ebay 7/3/15
#599: Gen Admin PSA MK2
#1149: Gen Admin
#1628: Gen Admin ebay 4/25/2010

Brock 3000 ticket
 

Has anyone heard of/seen a Brock full 3,000th hit ticket?

I am trying to catalog the Brock 3000th tickets, does anyone have one to show.



Here is the list that I have seen. The number is the seat number.
22 identified (Highest PSA Grade: 6)

129-15-8
135-22-1 ebay 12/6/12
152-20-5 ebay
165-16-7 ebay 3/26/14

220-4-4 Part of 1958-2001 Lot of 19 http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...No=82032#Photo (Oct 2, 2009)
220-8-19
224-13-9 ebay 06/19/14
228-14-6 ebay
240-4-4 ebay 04/07/10
240-15-6 ebay 2011 (PSA-4)
242-17-12 (PSA 2)
250-18-1 ebay 5/8/15
268-8-14 (PSA 5)
268-16-9
272-21-13 (PSA 4)
272-21-14 (PSA 3)
274-14-12 (PSA 4)
281-2-1 (PSA 4)
284-7-22 Autographed

346-12-1 Signed and matted in frame
354-15-15 (PSA 6)
367-6-17 (Mine)

Jeff,
I have never seen a full ticket to Brock's 3,000th hit, but I feel certain that one must exist.
BTW, your ticket stub is the audit stub, meaning that it is the portion that the ticket taker would hold on to, not the patron (fan). The opposite end of the ticket would be the more desirable of the two given a choice, but both are very collectible, never the less...

Pete Rose 3000th hit tickets
 

Thought maybe someone may have an interest, so I am posting what I have cataloged of Pete Rose 3000th hit tickets and photos of the four that I own. Hope someone else can add information to this topic.

35 identified (Highest Grade: 7MK, PSA states 18 graded)

Full Tickets
108-8-3: http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...No=82032#Photo (Oct 2, 2009) and Huggins and Scott (03/25/2010)
247-3-104: Lelands (May 2002)

Stubs
103-10-5: PSA Authenticated Autograph, ebay 06/02/2010
108-8-1: ebay 03/23/2014
119-27-103: 1/31/15 Forsythes Auctions
141-13-1: PSA 7MK. Huggins and Scott
143-4-3: Private Collection
159-19-109: Private Collection

204-6-101: Mine
209-3-101: Mine (Rose 3000 printed small on obv.)
218-11-101: Mine
224-6-101:
224-6-102: Mine
235-12-3: ebay Jun 09, 2013
235-12-4: ebay Jun 01, 2013
237-9-107: Writing on back ebay 2013
237-9-108: PSA 4 MK, http://sports.ha.com/ (Oct 2, 2009)
247-12-3:
249-8-101: Private Collection
249-8-102: Legendary Auctions (2/24/2005)
252-1-4:

307-15-102: http://www.chicagotix.com/PlayersBaseballGR.shtml (2011)
312-4-3: ebay ($175 in 2012)
313-11-106:
322-15-2: PSA 3(MK) Rose 3000 written on back - Huggins Scott Auction Dec 11, 14
325-9-105: Ebay
326-9-114: http://www.psacard.com/PSASetRegistr...t.aspx?s=40193 Web post PSA Authenticated (2011)
330-10-114: ebay (8/2/2011)
331-4-101: ebay July 2015
332-4-6: ebay May 28th 2014 Signed on front, JSA auth
346-5-109: (2011)
347-7-7: PSA 4 (http://www.psacard.com/PSASETREGISTR....aspx?s=104595)
350-8-106: PSA 4 MK
350-16-106: Pen writting on back - Rose #3,000 (Jun, 2015)

453-3-2 (Pete Rose 3,000 written in pen on back, staple holes)

I have always thought that the weighting for the Clemente 3,000 hit ticketsis way out of line. There are many of them out there. The Kaline is a super hard ticket to find.

I have a number of 3,000 hit tickets in my collection for sale if interested. Banks being one of them. Some full and some stubs. I know where one Speaker 3,000 hit ticket is, but it is not PSA graded and PSA won't grade the ticket either. Kind of a bummer.

Jason


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Mays 3000 Hit Ticket
 

Here is my Mays 3000 ticket.

Nice Mays 3,000th hit Jason!
Can you also please show your Mays 500th HR ticket stub?

Ask and you shall receive.

Jason

Cool Mays 500th HR ticket, Jason! Thanks.

That's the only one that I've ever seen. It's an elusive bugger for those that collect the 500 HR theme.

I am still trying to find the PSA 4 Jimmie Foxx 500 HR ticket. I need that ticket to finish up my 500 HR club ticket run. I don't know who owns that ticket, but I would sure like to find out. Jason

Ott 400 HR ticket
 

Just picked these up. Mel Ott #375 (attend: only 3.3k) and #400. I know not #500, but as close as I can get at the moment.

Jason, did you get the other 3,000 Kaline in that auction. I see you have an Ott 500 (from the PSA page, nice collection), do you know if there are any others?

Hey there. Didn't see I needed to reply from a few months back. I got my Kaline ticket from a collector and not through an auction. I believe my Ott ticket is the only PSA graded ticket too date. I know there is at least one other that is not graded. Still need the PSA graded Jimmie Foxx 500 HR ticket to complete my 500 HR run. Jason

Don Sutton 3000 strikeout ticket
 

Finally found a Don Sutton 3000th strikeout. This is the first I have ever seen. Seems odd that it was this hard to find. The game was a home game and there were 46,037 at the game. PSA rates this ticket a 3. I have had his 300th win for a while, also rated as a 3, and have seen at least 1/2 dozen out there. Just wondering if anyone else has a Sutton 3000.

Hi, I had one several years ago but sold a lot of stuff when I needed cash. Trying to get them all back. Do you have the Gibson 3K ? Its a bit difficult. I actually also owned the Johnson 3K. Randy AND Walter! Hard to believe? A guy was selling it on Ebay as just a Walter Johnson win. I recognized the date as his 3000th strikeout (the date most widely recognized, there is some discrepancy) I consigned it to an major auction and they lost it! Along with a couple other stubs I sent. I did keep a scan of it...

3000 strikeouts
 

That Johnson obviously is/was the Holy Grail of 3,000 strikeout tickets. So what did they say / do about the loss?

I do not have a Gibson. Went after two different ones, but got out bid. Both were at least two years ago and both went for, if I remember correctly, something like $250 to $350 (not sure, but more than I thought).

I am also still missing Perry (I see lots of post-dates, but only one legit), Jenkins (zero graded/auth), Niekro (only one graded/auth) and Blyleven (this is suppose to be easy, rated a 2, but only one has been graded/auth). Seems more people would be into the 3k strikeouts, since is possible to have a complete collection.

Well we went around and around about it. I was pretty upset because I don't know of another and really wanted to see it go to auction. You never know what two guys will bid something up to. I think it may have gone to $2500 which was my guesstimate. They countered with something like $400 because it was out of a book and not dated, yadda yadda yadda. Plus there were two other tickets lost, a Mantle last homerun and a Roger Clemens debut in Cleveland which there were only 4004 people at. Negotiations went on for a while but I really needed the cash so I settled at something like $1200. But I made out better in the long run as they accidentally paid me twice.

Here is a scan of the Gibson 3K stub. Strangely enough he was only the SECOND guy to get there! Also pictured is the Perry 3K stub. Padres tickets stubs are not so easily found. I collect a lot of different baseball themes and there are certain cities that are very difficult to get tickets from.

If you are interested in the Perry shoot me a private email. I have a spare one.

If you are talking about Ernie Banks I am sorry to inform you he did not get near 3000 hits. He finished with 2583 hits.

My mistake. My Banks ticket is the 500 HR ticket, not a 3,000 hit ticket.

Great information and great thread!

Walter Johnson 3,000
 

Question for Randall (mcgwirecom),

How reliable do you believe PSA to be on early undated tickets. The Walter Johnson 3,000th you show is from game 57. I am skeptical of this. If I go to a site like Baseball Reference and count down to the 57th home game played, I find this to have been on July 22nd, which is what they date the ticket as. To me, the scheduled date and played date are not necessarily the same date. I decided to put this to the test with the 1920 Pirates.

I have an original Cincinnati away schedule from 1920.
They were to play in Pitt
April 29, 30 - April 30 not played
May 1
June 3, 4, 5 - none of these played
July 5 (DH), 6
Oct 1,2 - Oct 1 not played, but a triple header was played on the 2nd

Games played: (http://www.baseball-reference.com/te...e-scores.shtml)
Games played, that are not on schedule are:
DH on Sept 22
23
So with the 2 make up games played in the triple header, 5 games played on dates not listed on original schedule, thus throwing off the game count. Could you imagine sitting through a triple header in Pittsburgh in October. Interestingly, from doing this little research project, this was the last tripleheader ever played (http://research.sabr.org/journals/last-tripleheader).

The only way, I believe, really to verify the game number is to get a 1923 schedule from a Cleveland newspaper (probably the day before Opening Day) from a Cleveland library or something. Not sure if anyone lives in Cleveland and hangs out at the library, but...

Interesting stuff guys. I have saved 99.5% of ticket stubs in my lifetime...lots of ballgames and concerts. I recently came into some 50's yankee and giants stubs which include some mantle/mays hr's...fun stuff!

You know, I am not 100% sure how numbered tickets work. There was some research recently done with old Yankees and Giants tickets that is listed on the PSA website. But these numbered tickets were sold at the window by the team before the game I believe. Tickets like the Johnson 1923 ticket came from a book the owner had. The belief apparently is that if you had the book you took the next ticket stub out each time you went to the park. Making #57 for July 22nd. When I saw it i knew that was the date of his 3000th K. So if I had the chance to send it back for a re-holder I wouldn't have to convince them of the date, they already decided on that. I have seen ticket books that did have the stubs dated also so its hard to say with 100% certainty if PSA is definitely right.

As an aside, July 22nd is not the only date cited as Johnson's 3000th K ! I have seen at least 2 other close dates listed as his 3000th. But the 22nd is the most cited one.

I just finished reading The Numbers Game by Alan Schwartz, which is an excellent history of statistics in baseball. It turns out that the record keeping was so shoddy back during the pre-war era that no one would have known at the time that a particular hit was a player's 3,000th. MLB's record keeping wasn't formalized to the point that such data would have been available until years later.

Nathanial (Nate),
I think you are totally correct, FWIW.

Tris Speaker 3,000th hit ticket
 

Scott, is this the ticket that you had that was the Tris Speaker 3,000th hit ticket? Thought people might want to see it. Story behind the ticket is item #2 of this thread (if this is the same ticket): "The ticket was discovered perhaps 20-25 years ago in a frame along with 2-3 Cleveland Indians World Series tickets from the 1920's by a close hobby friend in the Cleveland area that specializes in ephemera. The ticket stub did not have a printed date, but did have the date written on the back in pencil. All of the tickets in the frame had pencil date inscriptions on the back written by the same patron."

That is one in the same. I haven't seen it since 2000 or 2001.

Some beautiful tickets guys! I'm just starting to look at tickets and I see proofs and passes, as well as full and stub tickets. I like the ideal of stubs because they were present in the stadium. I'm sure some events one would have to take what they can get. My question is are proofs and passes considered more desirable then full and stub tickets? Sorry for the beginner question, but thanks for any feedback.

Luis

Hi Luis,

Collecting tickets is a great part of the memorabilia hobby. As you said, the ticket was actually at the event. Plus they are far, far more limited than baseball cards.

To answer your question about proofs and passes, to a true collector they are less valuable than a DATED stub or full ticket. There are those out there who try and get a lot for a pass because they will tell you that it was good for every home game of a certain team, or in the case of a League pass every game in that league. But it is a lazy mans way of filling a spot in his collection. True collectors will always want the dated ticket to a specific game. Proofs are the same. They were not meant for adamission to any game. And as you pointed out a ticket was at the event, and these were not and could not. As a collector I want a ticket that would get me into a specific game.

Ticket collecting is just that, collecting. Most of us pick a genre to collect. I know people who collect all of a players homeruns. Some collect all of a players hits. Others may collect all of his games played! Some people collect all of a teams games from a World Series year. Still others collect certain events like no hitters or hitting for the cycle. Then theres people who collect milestones events like the 500th Homeruns, 3000th hits, 300th wins, 3000th struikeouts. Collecting player debuts has also really taken off. All I can say is that I love the thrill of finding a ticket I need. But I will warn you, at the beginning you will start off quickly gathering tickets and it seems like you will get done pretty fast but it will slow down to a trickle and then it will stop. You have to be very patient if you expect to collect all of a certain them of tickets. I know people who have been at it for more than 25 years and still need a few tickets to complete something.

Hi Randall,

Thanks or your insight on clearing up my questions. I'll definitely stick with dated stub or full tickets. You are right. After looking at what is out there I may start with no-hitters by HOF pitchers? Or maybe 500 HR or 3000 hits tickets? :) Which ever way this takes me it should be a lot of fun! I'll post my first purchase hopefully soon.

3k tickets
 

Luis,

I agree with Randall, I had a several proofs that I basically gave away. I also agree with his list with the addition of streaks, such as, Rose, DiMaggio and others, like Maris 61 in 61. The most popular is World Series and then All-Stars followed by 3k hits and 500 HR. PSA shows some nice collections (http://www.psacard.com/psasetregistr...ult.aspx?c=141). I have focused on 3k hits and 3k strikeouts. The most recent 15 can easily be collected in nice full tickets for less than $50 each, with the most difficult being Palmeiro and Biggio. Be careful not to get post-dated tickets (a lot of post-date Boggs and Molitor out there). Yaz stubs are easy to find for $25 and there are at least a few full tickets.

It then gets to be a little more difficult for the next two, Brock and Rose. Depending on condition, $50 to $300 for them. I do not know of any Brock full tickets and I know of 3 full Rose (see image below). The yellow PSA-3, and blue PSA-4 have been around for years. I picked up the green one recently and was real happy to get it (I believe is the finest of the 3). Kaline is a real difficult ticket to get (no full tickets known), I believe there are less than 10 stubs, and the prices have been as low as $100 up to $1k. Then there is Clemente. I can not figure out why Clemente are going for $800 to $1500, but they are. I have cataloged 26 of them and one as a full ticket (actually a coupon, which went for: $9,810.95 Seat #27-C-4: HTTP://SPORTS.HA.COM/C/ITEM.ZX?SALENO=7037&LOTNO=80034). This is one I have held off on, believing that it would drop. The population does not justify the price.

Then you have the real tough ones. Mays, Aaron and Musial. I have cataloged 7 Mays (one, a coupon just sold on ebay for $1,253), none of which are full. 8 Aaron, with one being a full ticket (I was lucky enough to pick up a stub recently along with a Kaline stub). Musial, 5 and no full, going for around $1k+.

Then you have the unknown ones (with the exception of the undated Speaker, see post #35). I have not seen or heard of any others, which is why I started this thread in the first place.

Clemente 3k hit ticket
 

Finally picked up a Clemente 3k hit, still need Mays and Musial. Still have not heard of a 3k hit ticket pre-Musial other than the Speaker ticket with the date written on it (See #35 of this thread).

10 Cent Beer night
 

Does anyone have a 10 cent beer night ticket from Cleveland? That'd be an awesome piece!