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Mike D. 09-22-2021 08:01 PM

Highest WAR Multi-Player RC w/ No HOFer?
 
Picked this card up today:

https://baseball-trivia-game.com/images/70_topps.jpg

Got me thinking...is there a multi-player RC that doesn't feature a Hall of Famer with more total WAR represented?

Using BB-R WAR, Blue has 45.1 and Tenace has 46.8 for a total of 91.9.

Can anyone think of a card with a higher total? Maybe we need 2, 3, and 4 card categories?

(Apologies if this has already been discussed. If it has, I couldn't find the thread)

Peter_Spaeth 09-22-2021 08:25 PM

Almost a dead heat with Dwight Evans and Al Bumbry. 91.6 as I read it.

Troy Kirk 09-22-2021 08:39 PM

I remember going to a Giants game in 1978 and seeing Vida Blue shagging balls in the outfield during batting practice. He would reach down and flip the ball backwards, like he was hiking a football to his side, into the outfield bleachers, where people would scramble after the balls. It made me think he was a fan-friendly ballplayer.

EGreenwood 09-22-2021 08:42 PM

This one is kind of cheating, but technically meets the criteria:

1963 Topps 537

Pete Rose - 79.6
Al Weiss - 2.3
Ken McMullen - 34.0
Pedro Gonzalez - 1.3

Total - 117.2

EGreenwood 09-22-2021 08:56 PM

Or perhaps 1978 Topps 708 will be more palatable:

Bo Diaz - 11.5
Dale Murphy - 46.5
Lance Parrish - 39.5
Ernie Whitt - 18.3

Total - 115.8

Peter_Spaeth 09-22-2021 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EGreenwood (Post 2147235)
Or perhaps 1978 Topps 708 will be more palatable:

Bo Diaz - 11.5
Dale Murphy - 46.5
Lance Parrish - 39.5
Ernie Whitt - 18.3

Total - 115.8

But not Dale's RC.

carlsonjok 09-24-2021 10:50 AM

1972 Topps #79 was 106.6 with Cecil Cooper (36.0), Carlton Fisk (68.4) and Mike Garman (2.2), but obviously there are higher.

Mike D. 09-24-2021 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlsonjok (Post 2147636)
1972 Topps #79 was 106.6 with Cecil Cooper (36.0), Carlton Fisk (68.4) and Mike Garman (2.2), but obviously there are higher.

But Fisk is a HOF. Looking for highest w/o a Hall of Famer.

Peter_Spaeth 09-24-2021 01:20 PM

2001 Topps Pujols/Ichiro would literally meet your criteria and log in at 160.:)

Steve D 09-24-2021 03:03 PM

Barry Bonds has a WAR of 162.7, so technically, any multi-player RC would have to beat that.


Steve

Mike D. 09-24-2021 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve D (Post 2147720)
Barry Bonds has a WAR of 162.7, so technically, any multi-player RC would have to beat that.


Steve

But Bonds doesn’t appear on a multi-player RC.

Mike D. 09-24-2021 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2147682)
2001 Topps Pujols/Ichiro would literally meet your criteria and log in at 160.:)

Figured there may be something modern of guys not YET in the Hall. Pujols/Ichiro is tough to beat, although within about 6 years will no longer qualify.

Peter_Spaeth 09-24-2021 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike D. (Post 2147740)
Figured there may be something modern of guys not YET in the Hall. Pujols/Ichiro is tough to beat, although within about 6 years will no longer qualify.

I can't imagine it can be beat, and I am pretty sure Blue/Tenace followed by Evans/Bumbry are the two top vintage cards in this category.

Mike D. 09-24-2021 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2147773)
I can't imagine it can be beat, and I am pretty sure Blue/Tenace followed by Evans/Bumbry are the two top vintage cards in this category.

Both Evans and Tenace have a chance of making the HOF from one of the era committees at some point, too...so we'll see. The list will evolve!

Gr8Beldini 09-25-2021 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike D. (Post 2147784)
Both Evans and Tenace have a chance of making the HOF from one of the era committees at some point, too...so we'll see. The list will evolve!

I don't see it. Tenace was real good but not a HoFer. I think a case could be made for Vida though.

Peter_Spaeth 09-25-2021 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gr8Beldini (Post 2148073)
I don't see it. Tenace was real good but not a HoFer. I think a case could be made for Vida though.

I think both are solid entries in the Hall of Very Good, I don't really see the case for either man.

I did see Vida during his Cy Young season at the ripe age of 21, he threw awfully hard. He sort of set the precedent for Dwight Gooden, spectacular start but didn't quite maintain it.

Mike D. 09-25-2021 06:50 PM

There are 18 catchers in the Hall of Fame.

By BB-R WAR, Tenace ranks 14th all time.

Of the 13 names ahead of him, 11 are Hall of Famers. One more, Joe Mauer, likely will be (the other is Wally Schang, who is at #13 on the list).

Two current players who are both considered likely Hall of Famers, Buster Posey and Yadier Molina, are 17th and 19th on the list.

The .241 BA isn't pretty, but a .388 OBP for a catcher is darn impressive. He's borderline for sure, but a lot better candidate than may give him credit for.

By comparison, Blue's WAR puts him 146th among starting pitchers.

Gorditadogg 09-26-2021 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2147237)
But not Dale's RC.

Multi-player rookie card? Check.

No Hall of Famers? Check.

High total WAR? Check.

vansaad 09-29-2021 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike D. (Post 2147739)
But Bonds doesn’t appear on a multi-player RC.

This one's pretty close.

https://piratesprospects.com/wp-cont...1.13.18-AM.png

Mike D. 10-02-2021 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vansaad (Post 2149203)
This one's pretty close.

That’s funny! Nicely done! :D


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