Total SHILL marketplace.......check out the bidder percentages and see for yourself.
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card ended at almost $16k....Does anybody need a PSA 8 with a qualifier?:)
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Wildly inflated prices on easily found cards, massive bid retractions of high bidders -- who only bid on PWCC auctions, troll accounts set up for the sole purpose of ripping critics. And yet the dimwits will support the guy even after he was caught juicing scans, lied about it on Net 54 and got caught, helped bidders avoid paying sales tax and is "all over" the shill bidders in his auctions -- except he's not. Same idiotic defense of Mastro and Allen from 8-9 years ago and look how that ended. If it looks like a fraud, walks like a fraud and smells like a fraud in this hobby you can be damn sure it's a fraud. Wake up -- or don't.
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If you doctored cards, where would you send them for auction. Ask yourself.
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Peter, well put.....buyer beware !
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Not every card is doctored = TRUE
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Card doctors will obviously NOT want to auction their own cards !
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@JustinD: I almost bought that Delong Gehrig. But decided a few days ago, to let it go. I had planned to use Gavelsnipe for the 1st time and probably would of won it at the price i had typed in or atleast jacked it up more, because i didnt have to worry about Buyer premiums. Wonder any board members ended up with it?? It was a nice 2 and centered.
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I have nothing against Brent or PWCC, but if you changed his name to Rick he'd be sitting in front of Joseph McCarthy by this point of the thread. I've bought from him before. Great cards, great scans, great shipping, and pleased, but I'm just lost at how he regularly gets 20%-30% more than major auction houses on big ticket items. I think he has built somewhat of a cult for his auctions (especially in the PSA circles), but you would have to deaf, blind, and mute to not believe there is bid manipulation on some consignments. I think "certified high-end" is a bit cartoonish as well, yet he's carved a position and career in the hobby. Kudos to him.
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I also have a theory that, when compared to AHs, I think ebay auctions tend to attract more "stupid money." Not saying that the bidders are unintelligent people, but I think the the low bid increments and the firm ending clock probably drive more emotional bidding of people who simply want to "win" more than procure a card. Plus, the universe of potential buyers - without the vetting done by an AH - is probably less sophisticated and contains those who are not as attuned about market pricing (hell, I was there once before I discovered AHs). I think the AHs probably attract a more savvy, experienced collector (and a lot of dealers) who are less likely to drive up prices for the sake of the rush. I know that happens, but my hypothesis is that it has a tendency to happen more on ebay auctions because of the structure and bidder population. |
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Bottom line, bid retractions are a simple but serious problem with the eBay system and we are working as hard as is humanly possible with eBay to have them update their software and bring about better control. Ebay has rules, and they simply don't enforce them. For us, we report each and every bid retraction we receive to eBay Trust & Safety. Those in violation are warned and then suspended by eBay if the action occurs again. This is nowhere near good enough. One point I want to convey is while some bidders may have 5, 10, 20+ bid retractions over the last year, none or at least very very few of those are with PWCC Auctions. We monitor the IDs of members who inappropriately retract bids if we see that act more than once the bid is blocked. if the bid retraction appears to be manipulative (i.e. to expose a high bid, etc) we block that user immediately on the first offense. The biggest problem is that most users don't know they are breaking the rules. Sure, they probably regret retracting a bid, but without any punishment the act of bid retractions becomes something of a habit. I frequently get the 'I didn't know I was breaking any rules' response when we confront a bidder on their first offense. Again, we are working with eBay on this topic and hope to have some positive progress later this year. Once we have something concrete we'll announce it on the boards. Regards, Brent Huigens PWCC Auctions |
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All of these accusations are items that we’ve addressed multiple times in multiple threads. If by chance there’s something new and specific that posses a concern, we are happy to address it, but ask that folks please respect the purpose the thread’s origination and if needed, start a new thread. In general if there’s a concern (or especially if it’s an accusation) we respectfully request that specific auctions and/or bidders be referenced such that we can properly address the concerns. Blanket allegations are impossible to address. Regards, Brent Huigens PWCC Auctions |
PWCC comments on T206 Cobb green back
We certainly received some eyebrow raising finishing prices last night, but honestly, this T206 Cobb was not one of them :)
My pre-auction estimate for this card was $12-$15k. I highly doubt anyone will ever see another example that looks this good sell for anything less. I personally believe a strong PSA 7 would easily eclipse $50k at auction, so it seems perfectly reasonable that an EX+/EXMT example with NRMT qualities is worth 1/3 the PSA 7 price. The entire hobby is maturing, and blue-chip cards with high-end eye appeal are consistently fetching record prices... as they should. Just my two cents. P.S. for those questioning the bidding, I would happy to provide specific bidder details to Leon Lucky for his review and comment. All 3 of the top bidders are highly reputable and consistent buyers of ours. Brent Huigens PWCC Auctions |
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Finally, many of your high bidders have massive amounts of bid retractions which, to most on this board, seems fishy. None of these issues are "impossible to address" -- unless what you mean is that it is impossible to offer an innocent explanation. PS Doug Allen used to do the same thing on Net 54: claim it was all a witch hunt and blame me for starting it. Hope it works out better for you. And if you feel I'm libeling you, feel free to sue me. |
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I have also found that I had a direct sale fall through because of price and that the same guy who refused to pay my asking price bid that much with PWCC..which cost me fees and I ended up netting less but for whatever reason the buyer would rather pay ebay the fees.. ebay allows for credit cards....which many AHs don't allow or charge additional fees...also PWCC doesn't have sales tax to most of the high bidders...those are factors....plus there is ebay bucks as well which on a 1000 dollar card could be a 10% savings for people on certain days.....$100 off.. |
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I hear this a lot on both forums, but IMO, not much relevance for shilling by looking at % of bids. I also have a very high percent with PWCC, but that's because they have the cards I want, and I can snipe, and I don't have to stay up until 3:00 AM while an auction closes three different times. |
They have the cards you want? Yeah, they have such an eclectic selection of cards found nowhere else on eBay, I can understand how you could mainly bid on their auctions; tough to find a PSA 5 1953 Topps Mantle any place else. As for transparency, Brent comes onto Net 54, gets caught in lies, leaves. His auctions are filled with fraud. Very transparent. Transparency really helps.
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PS - the only reason I consigned the Cy Young to him was to prove to you that I could get more on Ebay than what your lowball offer was. So, YOU were the only reason I sent it to him.
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With Mastro he seemed to have 2 types of friends. The ones he completely screwed over and the ones that got the spoils from his costumers that he screwed over. From reading all the threads on here about the huge scam he run for many years there where both those types of friends on this forum and unfortunately a few customers. |
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And why is it you have so many hobby'ists as customers, Mr. Criminal Defense Attorney? Seems a bit odd to go after some of the same people you take money from...or maybe you go after others to divert attention from your card doctor clients?
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Here is you diverting attention from one of your clients who has allegedly made falsely stamped cards. http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=208345 . |
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I was hoping for the best for them and it turned out they were liars and thieves. I had considered them hobby friends.....what more can I say? Now back to those nagging little questions I had..... |
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