more Baseball Forensics - Pete Hill
Well, I did learn a little from the Cartwright Dag cluster-fvck thread, and thought this might be an interesting exercise for the non-forensic experts.
Here's an image from a photo I used to own (also on front page of my website), that we debated back in 2003. Some thought it might be Pete Hill, others no. Next to it is the real Pete Hill (Sorry the pic is so big, but too lazy to shrink and upload again). Original debate thread follows, but come up with your own independent opinion before peeking. http://runscott.homestead.com/files/NLg12.jpghttp://artvoice.com/issues/v10n18/sp...eature/sports3 What black Giants team is this? |
I'd go with Yes.. It's more than likely Pete Hill. But, I'm no expert.
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how 'bout those ears?
um... don't the ears reveal the answer?
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I agree with Mark Sanders. Not Hill - ears clearly don't match.
Also he has a deep chin cleft or scar, Hill does not. Of course if it's from an injury, we would need to know the time sequence of the photos. However the ears are determinitive. |
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In 2003 it is possible that no one on the board was aware of things like ear matching. Now, quite a few board memebrs are aware of it, and they can do it, at least for clear photos, very well. I think that is has helped the hobby screen out a lot of bogus photos in recent years.
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Before you know it several companies will spring up, former government investigators will proclaim their expertise in ear identification, and major companies will open up new divisions just to authenticate players by their ears :):). Someone might even open a company up called Vincent Van Gogh Ear Authentics to try and capitalize on the name like the long ago and almost forgotten J. Dimaggio Co. |
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It seems odd to think about overlooking someone's ears, but almost every time one of these ID questions comes up on a photo, I spend all this time looking at the rest of the face and come to my own conclusion only to scroll down and see somebody mention the ears. Doh! Totally eluded me!
I have no idea why, but somehow the same thing happens over and over to me. Just gotta retrain myself I guess :p |
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Man, those ears are close! But, I think we have to now move to the advanced cheekbone comparison on him.
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who nose?
the knowses may be the solution to this puzzle...
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Close, but I would vote that the photo on the right is not Shoeless Joe.
His hairline along the temple on the right side is different, Joe's nose looks larger and his lips look a little fuller IMHO. |
All I can say is that I'm sure glad that in twenty years from now, my Ruth & Gehrig photographs are still gonna be photographs of Ruth & Gehrig! ;)
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Everyone seems to be stuck on the ears on the Pete Hill photo. The one glaring difference to me is the huge dimple on his chin. Unless you can hide that somehow the two are clearly not the same person.
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Other than the possibility of Jackson being in the photo, it was a total waste of $14.95 - really beat-up and trimmed RPPC. |
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