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tedzan 02-22-2012 11:11 AM

Anyone, please identify this 1949 BOWMAN wrapper ?
 
Both of these 5-cent BOWMAN wrappers were issued in 1949. The RED-WHITE-BLUE wrapper was the the standard issue that included
all series (252-cards).

The GREEN-WHITE-ORANGE wrapper is very rare...I hope that some one on this forum can identify what series of 1949 BOWMAN cards
was issued with it ?



http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/d...nwrappergb.jpg



THANKS for your help,

TED Z

Volod 02-23-2012 01:55 PM

Nice wrappers, Ted. All of my reference volumes only show the 5-card wrapper, so that green and red baby must be rare indeed. It does state "picture cardS," though, so would not have been used to market one card for a penny. Maybe two for a penny?
Was that a tactic employed to unload inventory at the end of the sales season, or perhaps just to grab kids who couldn't lay their hands on a nickel?

Volod 02-23-2012 01:59 PM

Uh-oh, just noticed that you described them both as 5-cent wrappers. Is that verified by your source?

toppcat 02-23-2012 02:26 PM

I wonder if it was an attempt at a Canadian issue-just not sure of the 1949 labeling laws up North. Leaving off the "5" would make sense in that context but it's just a guess.

tedzan 02-24-2012 06:41 AM

Hey guys
 
I am surprised that no one has suggested that the GREEN-WHITE-ORANGE wrapper was possibly designed for the 1949 PCL cards.

There was a find that revealed that these PCL cards were indeed marketed in packs (on a limited basis) in the Northwest in 1949.
Perhaps, this would explain why this wrapper is very rare. However, I have yet to seen verifiable evidence to prove that this is a
PCL wrapper.


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...bowmanpcl1.jpg


TED Z

tedzan 03-09-2012 05:56 AM

GREEN-WHITE-ORANGE wrapper ? ?
 
One more try to see if anyone on this forum knows of the origin of this very rare 1949 Bowman BB wrapper ?

Thanks,

TED Z

sflayank 03-09-2012 08:32 PM

green white orange i
 
green white orange matches the 49 bowman display box
white red blue is undated 50 bowman, its identical to the dated variety

tedzan 03-10-2012 08:59 AM

BOWMAN wrappers
 
Larry

My RED-WHITE-BLUE wrapper is definitely a 1949 wrapper.

I'm not certain I understand your......"white red blue is undated 50 bowman" ?

Having collected "tons" of 1950 Bowman cards as a kid in 1950, I do not recall seeing any wrappers that year that were "undated".
All these wrappers were dated "1950" as shown in my scan here.



http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/d...5055bowman.jpg


TED Z

sflayank 03-11-2012 06:08 AM

wrapper
 
this scan is the dated 1 cent 50 bowman
top scan is the 5 cent undated 50 bowman
perhaps in your candy store they only sold the 1 cent packs
here is the 49 box orange green and white
http://www.baseballwrappers.com/imag...1809023487.jpg
and the 50 box red white and blue undated
http://www.baseballwrappers.com/imag...909d0a190c.jpg

Volod 03-11-2012 01:53 PM

Ted is correct - his red, white and blue wrapper is from '49, not '50.

sflayank 03-11-2012 04:28 PM

ok
 
so the fact the it matches the dated wrapper and the box perfectly means nothing?
the green orange and white are 49s.....they didnt change color midstream
red white and blue are 50s

tedzan 03-11-2012 06:31 PM

Larry

The GREEN-WHITE-ORANGE one is a 1949 wrapper....no one here is questioning that. But, it was not the regular issue 1949 Bowman wrapper.

My RED-WHITE-BLUE wrapper came from a wax pack that had 4th series (#109-144) 1949 Bowman cards in it. The RED-WHITE-BLUE wrapper
was the regular wrapper for 1949 Bowman's.
It was also the same wrapper for 1948 Bowman's (except that the 1948 Bowman's were issued in 1-cent packs, only).

The GREEN-WHITE-ORANGE wrapper is a mystery. I've had this wrapper for many years and I've searched and inquired regarding this wrapper.
No one, as of yet, can identify what 1949 series of cards were contained in it.

Although, the 24-count 1949 Bowman boxes were GREEN-WHITE-ORANGE, that by no means has anything to do with the color of the 5-cent
packs in these boxes.

Trust me, the 1949 packs were RED-WHITE-BLUE. I am old enough to have collected all the early Bowman's. And, I still have my original cards
from my youth. Furthermore, collectors my age have confirmed that they opened up these same RED-WHITE-BLUE wrappers in 1948 & 1949.


TED Z

sflayank 03-11-2012 08:15 PM

wrappers
 
the 48 wrapper is completely different design then the 49 or 50
while being red white and blue the design is different
i have no reason to believe that only in the year 1949 did they change wrappers midstream and then use that wrapper for 1950 also
makes no sense
the red white and blue matches the 1950 box to a tee
the 1c is dated the 5c is not

tedzan 03-12-2012 10:12 AM

As I stated in my prior post here......" Although, the 24-count 1949 Bowman boxes were GREEN-WHITE-ORANGE, that by no means has anything
to do with the color of the 5-cent packs in these boxes. "

Here is a 1950 Bowman 24-count box......it's colors are also GREEN-WHITE-ORANGE.


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...wmanbox75x.jpg



TED Z

sflayank 03-12-2012 12:52 PM

box
 
why is this a 50 instead of a 49

canjond 03-13-2012 01:52 PM

While I have no opinion or insight into the wrapper, I do agree that box pictured above is a 1949 Bowman and mislabeled as a 1950. I used to own a 1949 as well, and it was the same design and color scheme as the two posted above.

Volod 03-14-2012 02:28 PM

Confusion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by canjond (Post 975290)
While I have no opinion or insight into the wrapper, I do agree that box pictured above is a 1949 Bowman and mislabeled as a 1950. I used to own a 1949 as well, and it was the same design and color scheme as the two posted above.

Mislabled, by whom? If the green-white-orange box was used for both years, then there's no evidence the wrapper color was directly related to the box color scheme. Lacking any dating on the box, there's no reason to suppose otherwise.

sflayank 03-14-2012 03:40 PM

common sense rules
 
green orange and white wrapper goes with green orange white box
red white and blue wrapper goes with red white and blue box
its a fact that theres a50 bowman dated red white and blue wrapper
for anyone to think they used both colors in both years is absurd
COMMON SENSE dictates otherwise....

ALR-bishop 03-14-2012 04:23 PM

Common sense
 
Does "common" imply average or below "star" sense ? ;) :)

As someone lacking any Bowman sense, this has been an interesting exchange

sflayank 03-14-2012 04:39 PM

wrapper
 
al
common sense minor star sense or hof'er sense
having a little fun..here...from what ive been told about tedzan.....hes never lost an argument....im just guessing that MAYBE his memory of the color of a pack he bought 63 years ago....just MAY BE a little bit off
in any sense ill keep my green wrapper with my 49 set and my white wrapper with my 50 set and when they get sold thats how theyll sell

tedzan 03-14-2012 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sflayank (Post 975646)
al
im just guessing that MAYBE his memory of the color of a pack he bought 63 years ago....just MAY BE a little bit off

FYI....the 1949 pack that my RED-WHITE-BLUE wrapper came from was opened just 15 years ago. The 5 - 1949 Bowman cards from the 4th series in this pack
attest to it being a 1949 issued wrapper.

TED Z

Cardboard Junkie 03-14-2012 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 975696)
FYI....the 1949 pack that my RED-WHITE-BLUE wrapper came from was opened just 15 years ago. The 5 - 1949 Bowman cards from the 4th series in this pack
attest to it being a 1949 issued wrapper.

TED Z

Aloha! Could be that someone resealed a 50 wrapper filling it with 49 cards? Just thinkin outloud. Seems right that colors of box and colors of wrappers go together. dave

steve B 03-14-2012 09:01 PM

Interesting stuff, and leading to more questions than I would have had at the start.

Is the green/orange wrapper much tougher than the red/blue one?

Is the green/orange tougher than the 48 wrapper?

Assuming the green orange white wrapper is much tougher to find I have to wonder why. It's not like 49s are harder to find than 50's or 48's and I can't come up with many reasons why one fairly common year would be saved less than the year before or after. I'd think if there was a big find of unopened 48's and 50's it would be fairly well known.

Maybe a mid year switch if the green/orange weren't selling as well as expected?

Steve B

Volod 03-16-2012 10:39 AM

Not sure this is relevant
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 974876)
As I stated in my prior post here......" Although, the 24-count 1949 Bowman boxes were GREEN-WHITE-ORANGE, that by no means has anything
to do with the color of the 5-cent packs in these boxes. "

Here is a 1950 Bowman 24-count box......it's colors are also GREEN-WHITE-ORANGE.


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...wmanbox75x.jpg



TED Z

Found this blurb online and wondered if it's possible that Bowman ran a brief marketing test based on a six-card pack with an orange and green wrapper. Maybe Churilla could provide some insight from his sign?


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