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Peter_Spaeth 06-16-2023 07:48 PM

Gallery of non sports first cards
 
It is increasingly in vogue to see people call first cards of movie stars, musicians, politicians, other historical figures, etc. "rookie cards." I do it myself sometimes although always in quotes. A couple of observations:

1. Given the sheer number of often obscure issues out there, most of them foreign, and the uncertainty about the date of lots of these issues, it can be very difficult if not impossible to be sure what someone's first card is. There are some helpful resources, but far from definitive.

2. The term is massively misused and abused on ebay. I would bet close to half the cards people call rookie cards, are not. Some of it is ignorance, some of it is willful in my opinion from sellers who know better.

3. TPGs are horrible at dating many issues, and don't respond to corrections. For example, they insist on calling a particular Michael Jackson card 1969, which would make it his first card, except that it was really issued in 1973. There are countless examples of this.

D. Bergin 06-17-2023 08:45 AM

Sure why not.

It's subjective and arbitrary anyways, just like Sports cards.

If it's a popular figure, collectors will eventually figure out which card is their favorite one way or another..."Rookie" card or not.

Still looking for Sonny Bono's "Pre-Rookie" card. ;)

G1911 06-17-2023 12:02 PM

It doesn’t make sense literally, but in card land “rookie” has come to mean “first I want to recognize” or “earliest card that works for my financial gain”.

Republicaninmass 06-17-2023 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2348432)
It doesn’t make sense literally, but in card land “rookie” has come to mean “first I want to recognize” or “earliest card that works for my financial gain”.


If you are the seller, any way, shape, or form to hawk your wares can be used.

Arazi4442 06-18-2023 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2348314)
It is increasingly in vogue to see people call first cards of movie stars, musicians, politicians, other historical figures, etc. "rookie cards." I do it myself sometimes although always in quotes. A couple of observations:

1. Given the sheer number of often obscure issues out there, most of them foreign, and the uncertainty about the date of lots of these issues, it can be very difficult if not impossible to be sure what someone's first card is. There are some helpful resources, but far from definitive.

2. The term is massively misused and abused on ebay. I would bet close to half the cards people call rookie cards, are not. Some of it is ignorance, some of it is willful in my opinion from sellers who know better.

3. TPGs are horrible at dating many issues, and don't respond to corrections. For example, they insist on calling a particular Michael Jackson card 1969, which would make it his first card, except that it was really issued in 1973. There are countless examples of this.

Sure, why not?

Seems every one of your points above could be made about a number of sports cards as well, particularly the non-mainstream sports. Tiger Woods has cards that people call rookies over like a 5-7 year span. Same with some of the athletes in racing (Senna, Hamilton, Earnhardt, etc.), tennis (Serena, Laver, Billie Jean King) and many others.

Your second point applies directly to sports as well. eBay and auction houses will always have cards listed as rookies that are not, for higher prices or just out of ignorance.

Peter_Spaeth 06-18-2023 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Arazi4442 (Post 2348612)
Sure, why not?

Seems every one of your points above could be made about a number of sports cards as well, particularly the non-mainstream sports. Tiger Woods has cards that people call rookies over like a 5-7 year span. Same with some of the athletes in racing (Senna, Hamilton, Earnhardt, etc.), tennis (Serena, Laver, Billie Jean King) and many others.

Your second point applies directly to sports as well. eBay and auction houses will always have cards listed as rookies that are not, for higher prices or just out of ignorance.

Soccer is another sport where there is confusion over rookies.

D. Bergin 06-18-2023 10:55 AM

I think for like a couple of decades, the 1971 Barratt Card was considered Muhammad Ali's "Rookie" card...then it was considered his English language "Rookie" card...and now I'm not even sure if it's brought into the conversation any more.

Peter_Spaeth 06-22-2023 04:54 PM

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Changed the title and will now start posting some of my first cards in the nonsports area.

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wdmullins 07-05-2023 02:21 PM

Can you say what set the Blues Brothers card is from? The Harrison Ford?

You've got a Face-to-Face game card for Jack Nicholson (1991). He was in a couple of Topps Batman sets from 1989, two years earlier:

https://www.tcdb.com/Images/Cards/No...-5306210Fr.jpg

Peter_Spaeth 07-05-2023 02:39 PM

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Can you say what set the Blues Brothers card is from? The Harrison Ford?

You've got a Face-to-Face game card for Jack Nicholson (1991). He was in a couple of Topps Batman sets from 1989, two years earlier:

https://www.tcdb.com/Images/Cards/No...-5306210Fr.jpg

BB is 1980 Telepop. Ford is 1978 Fabulosas. I much prefer cards that are not just "in role" but have the actor's name on them, but I hear you on the Batman cards. Actually Nicholson has a 1986 Dutch card of some sort but I refuse to buy it because it has a big dog on it lol.

Peter_Spaeth 07-05-2023 02:44 PM

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I guess I never did the last installments of movie cards. So here is another.

Peter_Spaeth 07-05-2023 02:49 PM

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More actors.

Bill77 07-10-2023 08:14 PM

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Here are a few for the Star Wars fans.

jthorst75 07-10-2023 08:30 PM

Harrison Ford? Looks more like Joe Jackson

Bill77 07-11-2023 05:57 PM

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Just added some directors: James Cameron, Steven Spielberg, and George Lucas.

gonefishin 07-14-2023 03:02 PM

Peter, where is Steve McQueen?

Peter_Spaeth 07-14-2023 06:17 PM

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Peter, where is Steve McQueen?

Here you go.

gonefishin 07-15-2023 09:17 AM

Thanks - you gotta love McQueen!

Arazi4442 07-16-2023 08:14 AM

Hey Peter, what set is the Peter Sellers from?

Peter_Spaeth 07-16-2023 10:15 AM

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Hey Peter, what set is the Peter Sellers from?

1954 Chix Radio and TV.

rgpete 07-17-2023 04:36 PM

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