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Jobu 07-08-2023 02:26 PM

ID Help - Album of Homemade Cards, Some Real
 
8 Attachment(s)
I have had this album for a while and I am looking for some ID help.

I am pretty sure that a lot of these are cut outs from magazines and other publications, but some are also real cards and postcards and I'd like to know if anyone recognizes cards that I don't. Trying to figure out a value. (If you are interested in this, shoot me a pm.)

I am not interested in player ids, I have a lot of those. Just curious what here comes from a known issue (and if it does, then the player id). If any strike you as being from a particular publication, I'd like to know that too.

This kid took some real time with this as even the magazine cut outs were glued to cardboard before they were glued into the album.

I will update the lists with the answers y'all provide.

Thanks in advance.


PAGE ONE

Attachment 579106
1 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
2 - W517 Earnshaw
3 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
4 -----(Mickey Cochrane)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
5 - 1921 Exhibit George Dauss
6 -----(Waner)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
7 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
8 - W517 Joe Sewell
9 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
10 -----(Babe Ruth)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
11 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
12 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
13 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
14 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
15 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
16 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]

PAGE TWO
Attachment 579110
1 -----(Al Simmons)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
2 - W517 Harry Heilmann
3 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
4 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
5 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
6 ----- (Pie Traynor)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
7 - 1928 Exhibit Slim Harriss
8 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
9 -----(Christy Mathewson - E98 image, but not E98)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
10 -----(Tris Speaker)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
11 -----(Burleigh Grimes)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
12 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
13 -----(Goose Goslin?)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
14 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
15 -----(Charlie Gehringer-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]

PAGE THREE
Attachment 579111
1 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
2 -----(Babe Ruth)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
3 -----(Rogers Hornsby)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
4 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
5 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
6 -----(Al Simmons)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
7 -----(Joe Judge)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
8 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
9 -----(Al Simmons)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
10 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
11 -----(Rogers Hornsby)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
12 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
13 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
14 - W517 Lazzeri
15 - 1928 Exhibit Ogden
16 -----[(Al Simmons)-----thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
17 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]

PAGE FOUR
Attachment 579112
1 -----(Waner - Goudey image)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
2 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
3 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
4 - 1921 Exhibit George Kelly
5 -----(Dazzy Vance?)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
6 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
7 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
8 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
9 - W517 Bill Terry
10 - W517 Edd Rousch
11 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
12 - 1931 W517 Chalmer Cissell
13 - 1933 Goudey Brickell
14 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
15 -----(Waner)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
16 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]

PAGE FIVE
Attachment 579113
1 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
2 -----(Frankie Frisch)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
3 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
4 - 1931 W517 Lefty Grove
5 -----(Honus Wagner)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
6 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
7 -----(Mel Ott)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
8 -----(Jim Bottomley)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
9 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
10 -----(Lefty O'Doul)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
11 -----(Walter Johnson_-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
12 -----(Kiki Cuyler?)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
13 -----(George Sisler)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
14 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
15 -----(Lou Gehrig)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
16 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]

PAGE SIX
Attachment 579115
1 -----(Lou Gehrig)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
2 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
3 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
4 - Exhibit??
5 -----(Max Carey)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
6 -----(Bevo Lebourveau)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
7 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
8 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
9 - W517 Earl Averill
10 - 1928 Exhibit Eugene Hargrave
11 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
12 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
13 - W517 Al Simmons
14 -----(Al Simmons)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
15 -----(Joe Judge)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
16 - 1923/24 Exhibit Charlie Crimm

PAGE SEVEN
Attachment 579116
1 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
2 -----(Tony Lazzeri)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
3 - W517 Lew Fonseca
4 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
5 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
6 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
7 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
8 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
9 - W517 Art Shires
10 -----(Frankie Frisch)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
11 -----(Waner)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
12 - 1928 Exhibit Paul Waner
13 - Babe Ruth-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
14 -----(Goose Goslin)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]

PAGE EIGHT
Attachment 579117
1 -----(Jimmie Foxx)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
2 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
3 -----(Al Simmons)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
4 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
5 -----(Mickey Cochrane)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
6 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
7 -----(Eddie Plank)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
8 - 1921 Exhibits Walter Johnson
9 -----(George Sisler)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
10 -----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
11 - 1921 Exhibit Ivan Olson
12 -----(Eddie Collins)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
13 -----(Babe Herman)----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
14 -----(Mickey Cochrane)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
15 -----(George Sisler)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]
16 -----(Harry Heilmann - W517 image but not a W517)-----[thin paper, likely newspaper/magazine cutout]

swarmee 07-08-2023 02:45 PM

If you know the player names, then posting those can help everyone locate more of the item origins. Some definitely look like cards, but without player names, it may be harder to search and locate the images to confirm.

Prof 07-08-2023 02:54 PM

The Honus on page 5 - 5 definitely looks like this one

https://www.tcdb.com/ViewCard.cfm/si...NO-Hans-Wagner

nolemmings 07-08-2023 02:54 PM

page 1 #8 looks to be a W517 Joe Sewell

brianp-beme 07-08-2023 02:58 PM

Page 4:

player 10: Image used for W517 Roush

Page 6:

player 9: Image used for W517 Averill
player 13: Image used for W517 Simmons

Page 7:

player 3: W517 Lew Fonseca
player 9: Image used for W517 Shires



Brian

CobbSpikedMe 07-08-2023 02:59 PM

Hey Bryan,

Nice pick up for sure. This is a really cool collection of images regardless of whether they are from actual card sets or not. Many of the players are easily identifiable. The Mathewson (2-9) is awesome as it is his E98 image. Then there is a Waner (4-1) and Walter Johnson (5-11 & 8-8) images but I don't know if they are actually cards. Then there is a Ruth (7-13) image which is pretty cool. The Edd Roush (4-10) image is the same as on his W517 and could be cut from one of the cards, but I don't think the one pictured is actually cut from the card. I'm sure others can help more than I can, but just wanted to say how cool it is. Talk later bro.

3-2 Babe Ruth?
3-6 could be Al Simmons

8-1 could be Jimmie Foxx
8-5 could be Mickey Cochrane


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Casey2296 07-08-2023 03:18 PM

Page 8 image 8, 21 exhibits Johnson
Page 5 image 4, R316 Kashin.
Page 4 image 14, looks like Johnny Kling, no idea of the issue.
Page 4 image 1, obviously Waners image for 33 Goudey but I've never seen the BW image.
Neat scrapbook.

brianp-beme 07-08-2023 07:46 PM

A couple of more as look at it more.

Page 1:

player 2 - image used in W517 Earnshaw

Page 2:

player 2 - image used in W517 Heilmann (page 8 also has a similar, but slightly different Heilmann photo versus this exact W517 one...I was fooled previously!)


Brian

Jobu 07-08-2023 10:50 PM

Thanks for the IDs! I added them and dug into this further tonight, adding a couple more W517s myself and adding IDs to many of the images. I also go out my loupe to look more closely at which appear to be magazine/newspaper images mounted to cardboard (that was then cut out and glued into the album) vs likely actually being a card itself. It looks like we have ID'd the potential cards apart from Page 2 #7, Page 4 #9, Page 6 #4, Page 8 #11.

Jobu 07-08-2023 11:04 PM

And now I just got Page 4 #9 as W517 Bill Terry. So this leaves

Page 2 #7
Page 6 #4
Page 8 #11 - Christy Mathewson

After looking at these three again, I think there is a good chance they are the magazine/newspaper cutouts too but are just better mounting jobs. So this would mean we have ID'd all of the cards and many of the players.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Jobu (Post 2354336)
Thanks for the IDs! I added them and dug into this further tonight, adding a couple more W517s myself and adding IDs to many of the images. I also go out my loupe to look more closely at which appear to be magazine/newspaper images mounted to cardboard (that was then cut out and glued into the album) vs likely actually being a card itself. It looks like we have ID'd the potential cards apart from Page 2 #7, Page 4 #9, Page 6 #4, Page 8 #11.


brianp-beme 07-09-2023 01:41 AM

Page 6, picture 4 is not a W517 image.

Page 8, picture 11 is not likely Christy Mathewson, based upon the commonly seen bending over infielder pose instead of a pitching pose.

Page 8, picture 16 appears to be a photo taken in the same photo session (notice differences of his body positioning against the same wall advertising backdrop) as the image used for Heilmann in the W517 set.


And for some player identifications/corrections:

Page 2, picture 6 - Traynor

Page 2, picture 13 - Goslin (mistakenly identified as 2-14. Also only 15 pictures on your listing for this page, not 16)

Page 3, picture 1 - probably not Waner

Page 3, picture 14 - W517 Lazzeri (mistakenly identified as 3-13. Also this page has 17 images, not 16)

Page 5, picture 8 - Bottomley

Page 5, picture 10 - Lefty O'Doul

Page 5, picture 12 - Cuyler?

Page 6 - missing image 16 in listing for this page.

Page 8, picture 12 - Eddie Collins


Brian - by the way, cool scrapbook and love all the different photo images of well known players. I also recognize a bunch of other players but can't put a name to the image on those.

Casey2296 07-09-2023 02:04 AM

Page 5 #7 Mel Ott?

nolemmings 07-09-2023 07:28 AM

Joe Judge is seen on page 3, #7 and again on page 6, #15.

rhettyeakley 07-09-2023 08:57 AM

You have several severely cut down Exhibit Supply Co cards from the mid to late 1920’s in that collection.

rhettyeakley 07-09-2023 09:17 AM

I looked through and some that jumped out at me...

Page 1 image 5 is 1921 Exhibit George Dauss

Page 2 Image 7 is 1928 Exhibit Slim Harriss

Page 3 image 15 is 1928 Exhibit Ogden

Page 4 image 4 is 1921 Exhibit George Kelly

Page 6 image 10 is 1928 Exhibit Eugene Hargrave
Page 6 Image 16 is 1923/24 Exhibit Charlie Grimm

Page 7 image 11 is 1928 Exhibit Paul Waner

Page 8 image 11 is 1921 Exhibit Ivan Olson


Those are the ones that I could recognize pretty straight-away

Leon 07-13-2023 05:04 PM

cool album!!
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Jobu 07-13-2023 09:38 PM

Thanks for all the help guys, especially Brian and Rhett! This is great - you've figured out more of these than I had hoped we could.


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