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1952boyntoncollector 08-19-2024 07:37 PM

Right handed hitters better than left handed in a tie
 
Since right handed hitters are at a disadvantage against right handed pitchers and there are more right handed starting pitchers, shouldnt on all time lists if the stats are close the edge always given to the right handed hitters

plus the lefty is bit closer to first base too so a better chance to beat out a few throws to first over a career..

Peter_Spaeth 08-19-2024 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector (Post 2455282)
Since right handed hitters are at a disadvantage against right handed pitchers and there are more right handed starting pitchers, shouldnt on all time lists if the stats are close the edge always given to the right handed hitters

plus the lefty is bit closer to first base too so a better chance to beat out a few throws to first over a career..

If your theory held water, then overall lefties should have a higher batting average. Is that the case?

Carter08 08-19-2024 08:42 PM

I’m sure there is an actual analysis somewhere but I feel like the best all time hitters in the game have a bit more lefties than righties.

Casey2296 08-19-2024 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Carter08 (Post 2455302)
I’m sure there is an actual analysis somewhere but I feel like the best all time hitters in the game have a bit more lefties than righties.

Of the top 10 all time batting leaders 7/10 were left handed.
The next 10 on the list 7/10 were left handed.
The next 10 after that, 7/10 were left handed,

Peter_Spaeth 08-19-2024 10:20 PM

https://sportsanalytics.studentorg.b...20on%20average.

cgjackson222 08-20-2024 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2455314)

That was a very timely article. Certainly supports the thesis that lefty hitters are more successful than righties on average.

Also, I didn’t know about the Pat Venditte Rule, which mandates that “an ambidextrous pitcher must declare which hand he will use to pitch to a batter before the at-bat starts and must stick to that hand throughout the entirety of the at-bat unless an injury occurs.”

Interesting

JollyElm 08-20-2024 02:52 AM

Didn't it arise out of an ambidextrous pitcher (perhaps Pat Venditte himself?) facing a switch hitter?
The pitcher would line up to pitch righty and the batter would dig in on the left side, so the pitcher said, "Screw this!!" and decided he would pitch lefthanded to the lefty instead. The batter, of course, also said, "Screw this!!" and turned around to bat righty against the lefty.
So on and on the righty/lefty switching went with neither player willing to concede, and eventually the umpires had to decide how to resolve the stalemate right there. Something like that.

1952boyntoncollector 08-20-2024 05:48 AM

right so all things being equal, when giving all time rankings....i would always rate the right handed hitter above the lefty due to higher level of difficulty

Also leftys get to hit against 38 year old+ crafty lefty pitchers....i am not aware of any crafty right handed pitchers to the same degree.....

I would assume the lefty hitters have so much of an advantage that manager will still resort to a crafty lefty or a guy like Rich Hill who basically only would pitch this year because he is a lefty

I never heard of an old baseball player pitcher thats only in the league because he is a righty...

Beercan collector 08-20-2024 08:22 AM

Not sure if this is on topic but
Just a few who threw right but batted left :
Ty Cobb
Joe Jackson
Ted Williams
Ott , Mize , Klein , Gehinger , Goslin , Snider ,Yaz ,Eddie Collins
McGraw , Cochrane , Dickey ,
Larry Walker , Jim Thome
Wade Boggs
Rod Carew
George Brett
Ichiro Suzuki
Shohei Ohtani
Sam Thompson and Dan Brouthers

Beercan collector 08-20-2024 08:25 AM

I’m sure I’m in error on this somewhere but every notable switch hitter I could think of threw right-handed :
Mickey Mantle
Chipper Jones
Eddie Murray
Pete Rose
Ozzie Smith
Carlos Beltran
And of course Mark Teixero
.. I guess my point is a lot of natural right handers learned to bat from the left for a reason
Edit : Roger Connor and Ripper Collins threw left ��

Beercan collector 08-20-2024 08:27 AM

But No one told Ricky Henderson ,
He batted right and threw left 😕

packs 08-20-2024 10:27 AM

I feel like the left handed swing is naturally more inclined for hitting a baseball squarely too. When I think of the sweetest swings I think of left handed batters like Ken Griffey Jr. or Don Mattingly. There just seems to be something natural about it. I remember watching Johnny Damon during his Yankees days and he always just seemed to lay the bat head out there and hit a line drive.

The right handed swing can be beautiful too but it seems to have a lot more violence involved. I loved watching Gary Sheffield hit but I wouldn't say he had the grace of Griffey.

D. Bergin 08-20-2024 10:50 AM

I grew up playing baseball (and softball) throwing righty and batting lefty.

To complicate things further, I write lefty.

When you bat lefty, your strength hand is your bottom hand on the bat...which is your right hand. Your left hand is more your guide hand.

For me, my right side has always been my strongest, but my left side seems to have better..."finesse"...I guess is the best word I can think of.

I could switch around and bat righty if I wanted, but was limited to just slapping at the ball pretty weakly. I wasn't exactly a power hitter as it was.

One thing nobody ever mentions with lefty's, and it was a fatal flaw of mine since I was never quite as good as I hoped I was at bat control...yes, you come out of the box quicker, but I also had a habit of pulling the ball badly and rolling it over to the 2nd baseman and 1st baseman a lot, which ultimately made it a lot harder to run out more infield hits, regardless of the head start you got.

During my racquetball playing days, I could use both hands for backhand or forehand, but again my right was my power swing. My left was reserved more for changing it up once in awhile and confusing the angles on my opponents, or giving my right arm a break when my tendonitis was acting up.

bnorth 08-21-2024 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2455408)
I grew up playing baseball (and softball) throwing righty and batting lefty.

To complicate things further, I write lefty.

When you bat lefty, your strength hand is your bottom hand on the bat...which is your right hand. Your left hand is more your guide hand.

For me, my right side has always been my strongest, but my left side seems to have better..."finesse"...I guess is the best word I can think of.

I could switch around and bat righty if I wanted, but was limited to just slapping at the ball pretty weakly. I wasn't exactly a power hitter as it was.

One thing nobody ever mentions with lefty's, and it was a fatal flaw of mine since I was never quite as good as I hoped I was at bat control...yes, you come out of the box quicker, but I also had a habit of pulling the ball badly and rolling it over to the 2nd baseman and 1st baseman a lot, which ultimately made it a lot harder to run out more infield hits, regardless of the head start you got.

During my racquetball playing days, I could use both hands for backhand or forehand, but again my right was my power swing. My left was reserved more for changing it up once in awhile and confusing the angles on my opponents, or giving my right arm a break when my tendonitis was acting up.

I write and eat left handed. Everything else I can do with either hand. Right handed has more power and left is more accurate in batting and throwing. I also done some boxing/karate for several years and fought both ways.

Peter_Spaeth 08-21-2024 09:12 PM

Yet a righty of course fields with his left hand, a task requiring tremendous coordination. Maybe it's just what you learn, not how you're made.

clydepepper 08-21-2024 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector (Post 2455282)
Since right handed hitters are at a disadvantage against right handed pitchers and there are more right handed starting pitchers, shouldnt on all time lists if the stats are close the edge always given to the right handed hitters

plus the lefty is bit closer to first base too so a better chance to beat out a few throws to first over a career..

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector (Post 2455346)
right so all things being equal, when giving all time rankings....i would always rate the right handed hitter above the lefty due to higher level of difficulty

Also leftys get to hit against 38 year old+ crafty lefty pitchers....i am not aware of any crafty right handed pitchers to the same degree.....

I would assume the lefty hitters have so much of an advantage that manager will still resort to a crafty lefty or a guy like Rich Hill who basically only would pitch this year because he is a lefty

I never heard of an old baseball player pitcher thats only in the league because he is a righty...



This is the kind of stuff I've always had to put up with from a North-Paw World!


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