M101-1 at PSA?!
 

As an avid collector of the National Copper Plate and M101-1 series, been waiting for PSA to find a holder to grade them. Heritage has this Dahlen PSA graded as altered, I assume because it was trimmed enough to be holdered by them? so I have to cut them down to get PSA on them? Should I trim the Wagner rookie so I can get it “officially” graded? ;-)

Paul, let me know what you find out. I too have a Wagner, and I would like to get out of the BVG flip

PSA has never had a holder large enough for those, maybe things have changed very recently. Pop report should show if any have received numerical grades as full-size pieces. I definitely would NOT trim your Wagner to get it into a PSA holder, not sure if you were joking about that or not. I suspect that the owner of the Dahlen got it that way and did not trim it to fit inside a PSA holder.

Max interior size of 8.5” x 11” per this article:
https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...otos-documents

Still accurate according to this:
https://www.psacard.com/info/cardspsagrades

All the opinions sold on the Baseball Magazine m114 posters are for numbers, and are trimmed.

So the solution to getting them slabbed is trimming them. :cool:

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Or use Beckett
PSA & SGC apparently has no slab that large

I have done my best to work with CGC on larger items. They have the slabs big enough to holder these items and much larger ones....but they don't seem to have much of a desire to work with me. They are missing out on a large portion of the hobby by refusing to do it. I could care less for the grade honestly as I like the items slabbed because it keeps them safe.

I find it less-than-amusing that the largest, highly-profitable card grading company in the world cannot for once do something to please its' huge customer base and simply provide a new holder to slab these cards. Surely, the cost to do so must be manageable.

+1

It sure would be nice and welcome. If they would i would give them lots of business that would surely justify it to them.

I wish CSG would capitalize on these issues. They would do well to grade series that psa and Sgc do not grade.

Seems like a very smart business idea for CSG to get into the Vintage Market.

So Beckett can do it but PSA cannot (?) WTFudge

Beckett was doing these back around 2010 when Mark Anderson and Andy Broome headed up the grading team over there. None of the other grading companies of the day had holders large enough to fit them. I could be wrong but believe that I was the first to submit M101-1’s and M101-2’s for encapsulation. Many made a mockery of the BGS holders at the time, not happening any more now, huh?

Yup. That is the solution that has been used for decades to garner high grades on most of the vintage and modern that populate the Set Registry.

No! Really?!

Since Beckett has some of these listed on their submission platform, I assumed they knew enough about these to grade them. I sent 13 of them in to have slabbed only to have them returned as "Questionable Authenticity". After receiving my submissions back and asking to as why the issue, their response was that, "since so few exists, not enough has been known about this set to be able to authenticate". After seeing a couple of Wagners and a few other commons graded, I assumed they knew enough about them to be able to grade and slab them. They did not appear that they were even taken out of the holders that I sent and had sandwiched them in and taped together to allow easy removal. They also stated in their response that they are not officially classifying them as "fake" but that they still have not seen enough examples to accurately authenticate. Meanwhile, I am out over $600 for the submissions and an explanation that they do not issue refunds. Had I known their lack of knowledge of these items, I would have only sent one or two for submission, so I would have only shelled out $100 or so.

Agreed, that's a lame excuse for them to take the full $600 and not even look at the full group. You should get at least a partial, if not full, refund. Continue calling them until you get a better result, because like you said, they have authenticated some so why not yours, unless yours truly are questionable but then I'd want a reason why?

So their official response to your submission was "we do not have the expertise needed to determine their authenticity or not but thank you for paying us for the expertise we sold you (which we do not have)."

Gotta love the opinion sellers.

Doug "but do you really?" Goodman

As someone who probably submitted more of these than anyone else around the 2010 time frame, I can state with pretty strong certainty that the level of grading knowledge and expertise at Beckett back then far exceeded the new hires that enter the card grading world seemingly every day. There weren’t too many paper collectibles that Mark Anderson and Andy Broome were not intimately familiar with. And, to top it all off, they even had the oversize holders needed to slab M101-1’s not trimmed.

I cannot speak for who Beckett has on staff today, I haven’t submitted an item for grading to them in more than a decade. Apparently, they are at least not familiar with this issue, likely amongst many others. To me, not even a passing thought to trimming a Wagner down just to fit inside a PSA holder. That would be insane although at one time, I would have definitely considered it. You live and you learn though (hopefully).

Amen.

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BVG is openly and stupidly admitting the previous managers, Andy and Co., had the vision and expertise to create a special holder, accept and grade this unique set but the present management really can't replicate that because they don't have the expertise to even know if they are legitimate cards; yet they have the largest data base available.
I am so disappointed in the behavior and hubris of TPG'ers these days; it almost seems anti-customer. I don't whether it will be 'live by the sword, die by the sword' or there be a consumer revolt, but I feel something has to change.

This is pathetic by BGS. They have an opportunity here as PSA is confusing the market on SGC. But this makes them look amateur. I was going to get my Wagner and Delehanty graded during the national but the line was too long always. Glad I didnt waste my money and time. But i still would like them graded. Maybe CGS can pick up the slack.