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jingram058 06-18-2025 12:50 PM

The Yankees Are In Full-Fledged Freefall
 
Amazing how the entire team can't hit. 3 straight shutouts. Wow. Feel free to pile on, all you Yankees haters. I know you're out there loving it.

John1941 06-18-2025 01:15 PM

Shutout three straight and in the three games before that they never scored a run earlier than in the 7th inning.

I don't know what's going on but it's painful.

BobbyStrawberry 06-18-2025 02:09 PM

The whole AL East is kind of a weird mess right now.

frankbmd 06-18-2025 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by John1941 (Post 2522572)
Shutout three straight and in the three games before that they never scored a run earlier than in the 7th inning.

I don't know what's going on but it's painful.

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Originally Posted by JINGRAMO58
Feel free to pile on, all you Yankees haters. I know you're out there loving it.

I'm loving it, but can't believe it's only been 26 years in 1999 since the Halos shut out the Yankees twice in consecutive games.

Going for a three-peat this evening.

In 5 games this season the Yankees lead by one, 9-8.

SyrNy1960 06-18-2025 04:30 PM

Yankees break out of their slump tonight! Go Yankees ⚾️

Snapolit1 06-18-2025 04:54 PM

Too much dead wood in their lineup. Prob worse than the Mets, which is saying a lot.

John1941 06-18-2025 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 2522622)
Too much dead wood in their lineup. Prob worse than the Mets, which is saying a lot.

I disagree. I think the Yankee lineup is decent from 1 through 9 - much more balanced than last year. Every position has an average or above-average hitter except 2b (LeMahieu/Peraza) and LeMahieu is looking a lot better than last season.

Even after this week of horror the Yankees have a 119 OPS+ for the season, and it's not just Judge. Taking Judge out of the equation, the Yankees still have a .238/.318/.411 slash-line (AL average of .240/.309/.394).

The Yankees have a solid line-up; the mystery is why they aren't acting like it.

jayshum 06-18-2025 06:34 PM

2 solo home runs for their only 2 hits through 5 innings tonight. Tied 2-2.

John1941 06-18-2025 08:20 PM

When Boone gave Judge a day off last Thursday I thought it would do no good - why give a break to a man who'd hit four homers in three days? Why break the momentum of a man on a roll?

Since then Judge is 2 for 24 with 15 strikeouts and the Yankees have scored seven runs in seven games.

For context, in the previous seven games Judge was 12 for 27 with 9 runs scored and 9 driven in - more runs scored than the entire team in the last seven games.

It's possible this is not Boone's fault and it's the fault of the Yankees playing sixteen games in sixteen days - or it could be something else entirely - but I can't help wanting to blame Boone.

Beercan collector 06-18-2025 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 2522622)
Too much dead wood in their lineup. Prob worse than the Mets, which is saying a lot.

(?) Swinging those torpedo bats finally taken its toll (?)

bk400 06-18-2025 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by John1941 (Post 2522655)
When Boone gave Judge a day off last Thursday I thought it would do no good - why give a break to a man who'd hit four homers in three days? Why break the momentum of a man on a roll?

Since then Judge is 2 for 24 with 15 strikeouts and the Yankees have scored seven runs in seven games.

For context, in the previous seven games Judge was 12 for 27 with 9 runs scored and 9 driven in - more runs scored than the entire team in the last seven games.

It's possible this is not Boone's fault and it's the fault of the Yankees playing sixteen games in sixteen days - or it could be something else entirely - but I can't help wanting to blame Boone.

Yes, I thought that was a weird day off as well. I was rooting for Judge to bat 400 this year, but that's looking like a tall challenge with his recent slump.

frankbmd 06-18-2025 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 2522599)
I'm loving it, but can't believe it's only been 26 years in 1999 since the Halos shut out the Yankees twice in consecutive games.

Going for a three-peat this evening.

In 5 games this season the Yankees lead by one, 9-8.


Still loving it. The Yankees and Angels are now 11-11 in runs scored for their season series of 6 games so far. That's par for the Angels, but the pitching has been well above their norm.

Incidentally after tomorrow's game with Tyler Anderson starting, they will have had only five starters who have each started 15 of their 75 games. Now that doesn't happen very often on a decent team, but I'm not claiming they are decent.:D

SAllen2556 06-19-2025 06:25 AM

No worries Yankee fans, the trade deadline is coming up, so they can, as they do every year, just buy their way out of their mistakes. While fans of regular teams have to worry about a budget.

Baseball needs a salary cap like the other major sports.

And yes, I do admit to an irrational hatred of the Yankees. :D

Aquarian Sports Cards 06-19-2025 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bk400 (Post 2522662)
Yes, I thought that was a weird day off as well. I was rooting for Judge to bat 400 this year, but that's looking like a tall challenge with his recent slump.

So it was the slump, and not the fact that he's a career .290 hitter that makes you doubt the possibility? I would argue the slump is just the inevitable regression to the mean. It's hard to hit a fluky .400 for an entire season.

Carter08 06-19-2025 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SAllen2556 (Post 2522681)
No worries Yankee fans, the trade deadline is coming up, so they can, as they do every year, just buy their way out of their mistakes. While fans of regular teams have to worry about a budget.

Baseball needs a salary cap like the other major sports.

And yes, I do admit to an irrational hatred of the Yankees. :D

The players union would never go for it but I would love to see baseball with a salary floor and cap.

bk400 06-19-2025 08:50 AM

I bet there are a lot of spendthrift multibillionaires who would love to own a midmarket MLB team and transform it into a juggernaut. I mean, Mark Walter is from Iowa and grew up a Cubs fan.

The fact that certain teams have stingy (but still multibillionaire) owners who choose to milk current income and clip coupons instead of either (i) splurging to build a winning franchise or (ii) selling to someone who is is unfortunate for the game.

But it's not fair to the dreamers like Steve Cohen and Mark Walter and Steinbrenner if they are penalized because Arte Moreno sucks.

John1941 06-19-2025 11:56 AM

The Yankees scored a run in the first on two singles and a groundout and three more in the second on back-to-back homers by Grisham and Goldschmidt (Grisham's following a single by LeMahieu) - what a relief - hope they are truly out of their doldrums.

Balticfox 06-19-2025 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jingram058 (Post 2522567)
Amazing how the entire team can't hit. 3 straight shutouts. Wow.

They might consider hitting the ball where it's pitched rather than simply swinging through their power alley for the fences. (Or perhaps trading a few good prospects and a bagful of used balls to the Mets for Juan Soto....)

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Originally Posted by jingram058 (Post 2522567)
Feel free to pile on, all you Yankees haters. I know you're out there loving it.

It's not too late! You can still join our proud fraternity. I've been a member since early 1959 but I'm still very much willing to welcome new members.

:D

Balticfox 06-19-2025 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bk400 (Post 2522710)
The fact that certain teams have stingy (but still multibillionaire) owners who choose to milk current income and clip coupons instead of either (i) splurging to build a winning franchise or (ii) selling to someone who is is unfortunate for the game.

Huh!? Since when is building a team the old fashioned way (as it was done in generations past) instead of splurging unfortunate for the game?

:confused:

Hxcmilkshake 06-19-2025 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Balticfox (Post 2522761)
Huh!? Since when is building a team the old fashioned way (as it was done in generations past) instead of splurging unfortunate for the game?



:confused:

Some teams do absolutely nothing. Orioles let their best pitcher go, and they are paying for that.

Pirates basically have a clock on Skenes until he's traded, not if...

Twins were a division winner now they might be the 4th best there, with only Correa their biggest signing lately.

You can go on and on. Yet prices are high, where does the fan see the return?



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John1941 06-19-2025 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Balticfox (Post 2522761)
Huh!? Since when is building a team the old fashioned way (as it was done in generations past) instead of splurging unfortunate for the game?

:confused:

Take the Pirates. From a USA Today article: "The Pittsburgh Pirates, according to information received by the players union and confirmed by several owners, are one of the most profitable teams in all of baseball, stashing a huge chunk of their revenue sharing monies instead of investing in their team year after year." https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...s/83556338007/

The Pirates' owner treats the team as a cash cow. Result: the Pirates have a 29-45 record and all of their stars like Skenes and Oneil Cruz will leave when they can because the Pirates will refuse to spend the money necessary to keep them.

How must that feel as a Pirate fan, for your owner to care only about making a profit and not about having a winning team? How is that not unfortunate for baseball?

"Building a team the old fashioned way" implies these cheap teams are trying to build a winning team. They're not.

SyrNy1960 06-19-2025 02:27 PM

Yankees win! Time to close this thread! Just kidding. It’s been a while since I’ve been excited for a win.

Carter08 06-19-2025 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by John1941 (Post 2522766)
Take the Pirates. From a USA Today article: "The Pittsburgh Pirates, according to information received by the players union and confirmed by several owners, are one of the most profitable teams in all of baseball, stashing a huge chunk of their revenue sharing monies instead of investing in their team year after year." https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...s/83556338007/

The Pirates' owner treats the team as a cash cow. Result: the Pirates have a 29-45 record and all of their stars like Skenes and Oneil Cruz will leave when they can because the Pirates will refuse to spend the money necessary to keep them.

How must that feel as a Pirate fan, for your owner to care only about making a profit and not about having a winning team? How is that not unfortunate for baseball?

"Building a team the old fashioned way" implies these cheap teams are trying to build a winning team. They're not.

That’s why a salary floor and a cap would be good. The floor helps ensure teams don’t go too cheap and the cap keeps some competitiveness to the field and makes owners and GMs at least pretend to have to be smart. Football offseason is so interesting because most competitive teams know where they are weak and the trick is finding salary to upgrade there. Teams get penalized when they whiff on an expensive free agent. They have to let that salary die off rather than just keep spending. Football is outrageously more popular than baseball and I think it’s in part because the teams operate from a relatively even playing field, until it’s an important fourth down call when the Chiefs have an unfair advantage.

John1941 06-19-2025 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SyrNy1960 (Post 2522769)
Yankees win! Time to close this thread! Just kidding. It’s been a while since I’ve been excited for a win.

As the long-running comic strip of Clare Briggs said: Isn't it a grand and glorious feeling?

jingram058 06-19-2025 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by John1941 (Post 2522766)
Take the Pirates. From a USA Today article: "The Pittsburgh Pirates, according to information received by the players union and confirmed by several owners, are one of the most profitable teams in all of baseball, stashing a huge chunk of their revenue sharing monies instead of investing in their team year after year." https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...s/83556338007/

The Pirates' owner treats the team as a cash cow. Result: the Pirates have a 29-45 record and all of their stars like Skenes and Oneil Cruz will leave when they can because the Pirates will refuse to spend the money necessary to keep them.

How must that feel as a Pirate fan, for your owner to care only about making a profit and not about having a winning team? How is that not unfortunate for baseball?

"Building a team the old fashioned way" implies these cheap teams are trying to build a winning team. They're not.

Boy do I agree with this assessment. It shouldn't be allowed to persist, year in and year out. The Pirates haven't been truly competitive since the 1990s. Neither have the Reds. Now that the Dodgers have become what the Yankees once were, why don't the haters aim their wrath toward them? Seems misplaced to waste it on the Yankees.

frankbmd 06-19-2025 04:56 PM

James,

I'll aim my wrath anywhere you want. I'm not in sync with buying championships (NY and LA in baseball) (Lakers in basketball) (the Bears in football - just kidding) and there are others.

I almost always am rooting for (but not betting on) the underdog probably 90% of the time in games I watch. The Packers whose stadium holds more folks than live in the town of Green Bay are special for me though and yes I own 1 of 5 the jillion shares of their stock. For over 100 years they have always been my team. They represent the other 10% when they are favored.

Level playing fields confuse me. Rooting for a tie just doesn't seem right. :confused::D

SAllen2556 06-19-2025 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jingram058 (Post 2522780)
Boy do I agree with this assessment. It shouldn't be allowed to persist, year in and year out. The Pirates haven't been truly competitive since the 1990s. Neither have the Reds. Now that the Dodgers have become what the Yankees once were, why don't the haters aim their wrath toward them? Seems misplaced to waste it on the Yankees.

Hatred of the Yankees is never misplaced!

I think the Tigers are going to see the Yanks this October, and I can't wait for Skubal to beat them twice and help send them home....again.

Of course a year later Skubal will sign with them for 2 billion dollars.

Balticfox 06-19-2025 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SAllen2556 (Post 2522795)
Hatred of the Yankees is never misplaced!

Truth! But the Los Angeles Dodgers (whom I've never liked) have been tapping a fresh well of my ire in recent years.


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