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Peter_Spaeth 10-07-2025 08:48 PM

UD Griffey what is going on
 
PSA 10s appear to be going close to ..... 4K?????? Meanwhile, 10s of Randy Johnson -- probably a better pitcher than Griffey was a hitter, honestly, arguably top 10 of all time -- sell for 150. Bubble? Market manipulation?

jchcollins 10-07-2025 08:55 PM

I don’t know. There are about a trillion Griffey‘s out there. But it’s long been considered one of the iconic cards of the hobby.

The ‘89 UD Randy Johnson is not.


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Peter_Spaeth 10-07-2025 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jchcollins (Post 2542611)
I don’t know. There are about a trillion Griffey‘s out there. But it’s long been considered one of the iconic cards of the hobby.

The ‘89 UD Randy Johnson is not.


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Sure but you can now buy 25 Johnsons for the price of one Griffey.

bk400 10-08-2025 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2542616)
Sure but you can now buy 25 Johnsons for the price of one Griffey.

Is there a large and loyal community of Randy Johnson collectors? At $150, his PSA 10 are priced the same as my Mookie Wilson 1981 PSA 10s. Don't get me wrong, Mookie Wilson is super awesome and is a top 5 all-time Met, but he doesn't have Randy Johnson's counting stats.

OhioLawyerF5 10-08-2025 06:25 AM

Card prices are often not driven by best career stats. Sure Johnson was better than Griffey as far as overall career goes. And Hank Aaron (and many others, take your pick) was better than Mantle as far as careers go. But there are a whole lot more Mantle and Griffey collectors than Aaron and Johnson for reasons other than just statistics. Throw in that the iconic nature of some cards increases demand and price exponentially, and you get a second year Mantle or a junk wax airbrushed Griffey rookie that sell for many times what other comparable cards sell for. It's supply and demand. Every collector wants a Griffey in their collection, if for no other reason than nostalgia over what that card used to be in the hobby. Just like a Mattingly or Canseco rookie. But there is no nostalgia for a Johnson rookie.

Rich Klein 10-08-2025 07:51 AM

The 1989 Upper Deck Griffey is considered an iconic card, almost from the day it first appeared in 1989. For many years, the kids of that era longed for that card to be the cornerstone of their collection.

Great as Randy Johnson was as a pitcher, he's never been considered a cornerstone collector card.

Plus, remember Griffey was an advertisers dream in the 1990's when our current generation of collectors were kids. RJ not so much.

Sometimes, yes, it is that simple.

Rich

Peter_Spaeth 10-08-2025 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5 (Post 2542640)
Card prices are often not driven by best career stats. Sure Johnson was better than Griffey as far as overall career goes. And Hank Aaron (and many others, take your pick) was better than Mantle as far as careers go. But there are a whole lot more Mantle and Griffey collectors than Aaron and Johnson for reasons other than just statistics. Throw in that the iconic nature of some cards increases demand and price exponentially, and you get a second year Mantle or a junk wax airbrushed Griffey rookie that sell for many times what other comparable cards sell for. It's supply and demand. Every collector wants a Griffey in their collection, if for no other reason than nostalgia over what that card used to be in the hobby. Just like a Mattingly or Canseco rookie. But there is no nostalgia for a Johnson rookie.

For sure, I understand why there is a large gap, 25x just seemed rather astonishing when the second card is the RC of an all time great.

OhioLawyerF5 10-08-2025 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2542676)
For sure, I understand why there is a large gap, 25x just seemed rather astonishing when the second card is the RC of an all time great.

Yeah, it's hard to rationalize. When it comes to base cards, especially junk wax base cards, the supply is virtually endless. It takes incredible demand to overcome the supply. So only the iconic of the iconic can break through. But once they break through, and demand outpaces supply, the sky is the limit, because everybody wants the iconic and will fight each other for them, even when there are 4,000 floating around in a PSA 10 holder.

Brent G. 10-08-2025 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5 (Post 2542692)
Yeah, it's hard to rationalize. When it comes to base cards, especially junk wax base cards, the supply is virtually endless. It takes incredible demand to overcome the supply. So only the iconic of the iconic can break through. But once they break through, and demand outpaces supply, the sky is the limit, because everybody wants the iconic and will fight each other for them, even when there are 4,000 floating around in a PSA 10 holder.

179,000 graded copies — crazy. Anyone know what the #2 all-time graded card is? McGwire '85 Topps?

Balticfox 10-08-2025 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Brent G. (Post 2542694)
179,000 graded copies — crazy.

I've never been able to understand why/how collectors are willing to pay up for cards in plentiful supply. I just say "No!" when a surfeit of demand acts to push a card up to silly prices.

Peter_Spaeth 10-08-2025 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Brent G. (Post 2542694)
179,000 graded copies — crazy. Anyone know what the #2 all-time graded card is? McGwire '85 Topps?

I would guess 1989 Fleer or Topps Traded Griffey or some Pokemon thing.

D. Bergin 10-08-2025 11:13 AM

Isn't it also a pretty much accepted theory that Upper Deck printed a boatload of extra Griffey Jr. cards?


....or did my tinfoil hat get the better of me just now?


Randy Johnson was a beast. He was his era's Nolan Ryan....but better. Also, no steroid stink on him like Clemens. Just didn't capture peoples imaginations outside of inside baseball people for whatever reason.

jacksoncoupage 10-08-2025 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2542705)
Isn't it also a pretty much accepted theory that Upper Deck printed a boatload of extra Griffey Jr. cards?


....or did my tinfoil hat get the better of me just now?


Randy Johnson was a beast. He was his era's Nolan Ryan....but better. Also, no steroid stink on him like Clemens. Just didn't capture peoples imaginations outside of inside baseball people for whatever reason.

You don't even need a tinfoil hat, UD employees/exec outright stated that McWilliam ordered them to do so in Card Sharks.

When I worked in a shop during the late 90s to mid 00s, a guy walked in with an 800ct box of them. I thought this was insane at the time but I have since read several others sharing similar stories of seeing these 800cts at card shows at that time as well.

packs 10-08-2025 12:38 PM

Thread needs a card:

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Brent G. 10-08-2025 12:41 PM

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Fair enough!

Rich Klein 10-08-2025 01:00 PM

Just a note to add to this

"You don't even need a tinfoil hat, UD employees/exec outright stated that McWilliam ordered them to do so in Card Sharks"

Yesterday was Pete Williams' birthday. I'm sure he'd be pleased to see people still remember his work on Card Sharks

Regards
Rich

Brent G. 10-08-2025 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Klein (Post 2542737)
Just a note to add to this

You don't even need a tinfoil hat, UD employees/exec outright stated that McWilliam ordered them to do so in Card Sharks

Yesterday was Pete Williams' birthday. I'm sure he'd be pleased to see people still remember his work on Card Sharks

Regards
Rich

It was a great book -- one that piqued my interest in getting back into the hobby.

BioCRN 10-08-2025 01:36 PM

The sheer popularity of the 89 UD Griffey Jr being so great that it outweighs the sheer amount of cards is kinda impressive. Even paying $50+ for raw or $70+ for a PSA 8 seems far too much compared to how many are out there, but the prices keep holding.

It's also a testament to junk wax that a totally rare occurrence of Pedro Martinez only having 1 RC issued by any company (91 Upper Deck Final) can be had raw for a couple bucks and a PSA 10 for around $40.

Top 20 all-time pitcher, no other option but this for his RC...$40 for what is considered a "best of the best" example.

Brent G. 10-08-2025 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BioCRN (Post 2542754)
The sheer popularity of the 89 UD Griffey Jr being so great that it outweighs the sheer amount of cards is kinda impressive. Even paying $50+ for raw or $70+ for a PSA 8 seems far too much compared to how many are out there, but the prices keep holding.

It's also a testament to junk wax that a totally rare occurrence of Pedro Martinez only having 1 RC issued by any company (91 Upper Deck Final) can be had raw for a couple bucks and a PSA 10 for around $40.

Top 20 all-time pitcher, no other option but this for his RC...$40 for what is considered a "best of the best" example.

While not as valuable, the market is similar to the '86 Fleer Jordan. There are 50,000+ graded copies of that card, but the demand will never die. Meanwhile, Barkley, Olajuwon, Malone, Stockton, etc. can be had for cheap.

Peter_Spaeth 10-08-2025 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent G. (Post 2542756)
While not as valuable, the market is similar to the '86 Fleer Jordan. There are 50,000+ graded copies of that card, but the demand will never die. Meanwhile, Barkley, Olajuwon, Malone, Stockton, etc. can be had for cheap.

I will pay a million dollars for an 86 Fleer Stockton. :)

Brent G. 10-08-2025 02:04 PM

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I will pay a million dollars for an 86 Fleer Stockton. :)

Sorry, I had Star cards on the brain:-)

jp1216 10-08-2025 02:21 PM

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I will pay a million dollars for an 86 Fleer Stockton. :)

Sold

Brent G. 10-08-2025 02:25 PM

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Sold

That's a beauty!

I suppose we can give Fleer a break in '86, but to miss him two years in a row...

packs 10-08-2025 04:01 PM

The Jeter SP is another Griffey like card even though it was a slightly more premium product for the time. There’s still a million of them.

OhioLawyerF5 10-08-2025 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2542788)
The Jeter SP is another Griffey like card even though it was a slightly more premium product for the time. There’s still a million of them.

Those were highly condition sensitive, so there aren't very many PSA 10s out there.

Peter_Spaeth 10-08-2025 08:38 PM

Has Jeter lost a bit of the iconic status he had a couple of years back? I don't know, I don't follow it closely, but I suspected that eventually he might drop a bit due to not being a home run hitter. On the other hand, despite a very long stretch of mediocrity by the metrics, Pujols with his 700 HR I think will endure. And we have seen what happened to Mike Trout, now seemingly destined to be a .230 hitter as he plays out his career. How do you now rank the post 1980 hobby icons? Griffey seems clearly at the top. After that?

bk400 10-08-2025 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2542839)
Has Jeter lost a bit of the iconic status he had a couple of years back? I don't know, I don't follow it closely, but I suspected that eventually he might drop a bit due to not being a home run hitter. On the other hand, despite a very long stretch of mediocrity by the metrics, Pujols with his 700 HR I think will endure. And we have seen what happened to Mike Trout, now seemingly destined to be a .230 hitter as he plays out his career. How do you now rank the post 1980 hobby icons? Griffey seems clearly at the top. After that?

I would say Pujols and Ichiro. Barry Bonds' paper seems to move well also.

Brent G. 10-09-2025 06:34 AM

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I would say Pujols and Ichiro. Barry Bonds' paper seems to move well also.

I was interested in this card this week until it went absolutely insane. The Bonds market appears very strong.

packs 10-09-2025 09:21 AM

I think the 86 Topps Traded Bo Jackson will be a lasting card too. Not rare but as soon as future collectors find out who Bo Jackson was they’re going to look for it.

Brent G. 10-09-2025 09:35 AM

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I think the 86 Topps Traded Bo Jackson will be a lasting card too. Not rare but as soon as future collectors find out who Bo Jackson was they’re going to look for it.

That photo is iconic, no doubt. I'm partial to the '86 Donruss Rookies use — getting this card signed at a local show is what reeled me back into the hobby::

packs 10-09-2025 11:32 AM

Here's mine. I think Bo will be one of those guys who will forever be collected. He has a lot more going for him than Deion. I don't know anyone who wants Deion baseball cards:

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Seven 10-09-2025 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bk400 (Post 2542846)
I would say Pujols and Ichiro. Barry Bonds' paper seems to move well also.


Bonds is not surprising to me. As time goes on less and less people care about the PED usage, and the generation that watched him play as children grow older. 10 year old me, did not even know what steroids were. He did know that Bonds was built like Hercules and clobbered 500 foot moonshots.

And on paper, even with an asterisk attached to his name, He's still has 7 MVP's, a slew of gold gloves and 762 Home Runs. Unless if his records are stricken from the books (Which they won't be) his numbers will continue to live on in infamy.

saucywombat 10-09-2025 11:41 AM

Let Spike Lee tell you about it...

https://youtube.com/shorts/Im_RYVvWQ...oWgB2exAO0P3OE

This stuffs better than stocks.

todeen 10-18-2025 06:26 PM

First, go and see the prices for PSA 1-5 of the 89 UD Griffey. And the .5 pt increments are highly sought after.

Griffey is nostalgia. His cards were expensive when I was a kid. And now that I have a little pocket change, I can try to grab some of the cards I always wanted when I was younger.

As for modern stars, I know that Jeter prices soared for a bit with Covid but have settled again. And Bonds was a recluse in the hobby for a long time. He hardly signed any pack inserts. So his absence likely helped fuel his strong prices. But I don't think he'll ever be as popular as Griffey.


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bnorth 10-18-2025 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by todeen (Post 2544930)
First, go and see the prices for PSA 1-5 of the 89 UD Griffey. And the .5 pt increments are highly sought after.

Griffey is nostalgia. His cards were expensive when I was a kid. And now that I have a little pocket change, I can try to grab some of the cards I always wanted when I was younger.

As for modern stars, I know that Jeter prices soared for a bit with Covid but have settled again. And Bonds was a recluse in the hobby for a long time. He hardly signed any pack inserts. So his absence likely helped fuel his strong prices. But I don't think he'll ever be as popular as Griffey.


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Barry Bonds cards sell for more than Griffey Jr and I believe he is more popular.

In September 2025 the highest selling 80s card on eBay was a 1986 Topps Traded Tiffany Barry Bonds PSA 10 for $11,850. A 1989 Topps Traded Tiffany Ken Griffey Jr PSA 10 sold for $5995 and was the 7th highest priced 80s card to sell last month on eBay. #3 was a 1989 Fleer Bill Ripken PSA 10 for $8228.:D

BioCRN 10-19-2025 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by todeen (Post 2544930)
First, go and see the prices for PSA 1-5 of the 89 UD Griffey. And the .5 pt increments are highly sought after.

This would really make some of the militant anti-slab people's head explode if they didn't already know there's a notable amount of people out there collecting a PSA/SGC/etc run on grades of cards.

I think it's insane, but at this point I'm used to a steady dose of insanity from the hobby a few times a year since I first became interested in the early 80s.

Brent G. 10-22-2025 07:47 PM

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Barry Bonds cards sell for more than Griffey Jr and I believe he is more popular.

In September 2025 the highest selling 80s card on eBay was a 1986 Topps Traded Tiffany Barry Bonds PSA 10 for $11,850. A 1989 Topps Traded Tiffany Ken Griffey Jr PSA 10 sold for $5995 and was the 7th highest priced 80s card to sell last month on eBay. #3 was a 1989 Fleer Bill Ripken PSA 10 for $8228.:D

I posted this on another thread a couple weeks back. I thought my bid was strong … but not even close. The market for Bonds early Pirates autos and 10s is on fire. He isn’t more “popular” than Griffey, but plenty recognize he’s the best of our lifetimes.

OhioLawyerF5 10-22-2025 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2544951)
Barry Bonds cards sell for more than Griffey Jr and I believe he is more popular.



As an avid 90s collector, this is not true at all. Griffey is on a whole other level than Bonds in popularity and card prices. The 86 Tiffany is not a good comparison as it has perceived scarcity in a 10 because of the black top border. Compare the same rare 90s cards and you'll see what I mean. While Bonds is on the rise as the steroid issue becomes less important to people and people take a look at those stats, he is still not Griffey (or even Jeter for that matter) in the 90s world.

Brent G. 10-23-2025 08:12 AM

Here's a Bonds auto that'll be interesting to see how high it goes — '86 Topps Traded Tiffany: https://www.ebay.com/itm/31744738535...Bk9SR-aRhZPCZg

bnorth 10-23-2025 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5 (Post 2545767)
As an avid 90s collector, this is not true at all. Griffey is on a whole other level than Bonds in popularity and card prices. The 86 Tiffany is not a good comparison as it has perceived scarcity in a 10 because of the black top border. Compare the same rare 90s cards and you'll see what I mean. While Bonds is on the rise as the steroid issue becomes less important to people and people take a look at those stats, he is still not Griffey (or even Jeter for that matter) in the 90s world.

Cool to learn. I don't collect either now and never really have. In my small circle of friends that watch baseball Bonds has always been more popular except in the early 90s.

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Here's a Bonds auto that'll be interesting to see how high it goes — '86 Topps Traded Tiffany: https://www.ebay.com/itm/31744738535...Bk9SR-aRhZPCZg

Too bad the card only got a 6. Imagine that in a 10/10.

Peter_Spaeth 10-24-2025 08:06 PM

I'm always tempted to buy more Bonds, on the theory articulated that over time people will care less about PEDs and he will be seen as less of a pariah. I never quite convince myself though.

Schlesinj 10-25-2025 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2542839)
Has Jeter lost a bit of the iconic status he had a couple of years back? I don't know, I don't follow it closely, but I suspected that eventually he might drop a bit due to not being a home run hitter. On the other hand, despite a very long stretch of mediocrity by the metrics, Pujols with his 700 HR I think will endure. And we have seen what happened to Mike Trout, now seemingly destined to be a .230 hitter as he plays out his career. How do you now rank the post 1980 hobby icons? Griffey seems clearly at the top. After that?


A SGC 10 sold last night for $100k on Heritage. The PSAs are double that. I think 22 PSA 10s from what I remember


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Eric72 10-25-2025 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2542839)
Has Jeter lost a bit of the iconic status he had a couple of years back? I don't know, I don't follow it closely, but I suspected that eventually he might drop a bit due to not being a home run hitter. On the other hand, despite a very long stretch of mediocrity by the metrics, Pujols with his 700 HR I think will endure. And we have seen what happened to Mike Trout, now seemingly destined to be a .230 hitter as he plays out his career. How do you now rank the post 1980 hobby icons? Griffey seems clearly at the top. After that?

As a preface to this, I am not a Yankees fan.

I'm confident Jeter will remain iconic for generations to come.
  • 20 year career, entirely with the Yankees
  • 5 World Series Championships
  • The only Yankee with 3,000+ hits
  • Career .310 hitter
  • 14-time All-Star
  • 5 Gold Gloves
  • 5 Silver Sluggers
  • Rookie of the Year
  • World Series MVP
  • Etc., etc.

Even if he was a curmudgeon (he's not) to everyone, the hardware alone would cement his legacy. Yes, Jeter's an iconic figure. In my opinion, he always will be.

Oh, yeah...he's also got this going for him:

7 - Mantle
5 - DiMaggio
4 - Gehrig
3 - Ruth
2 - Jeter

Peter_Spaeth 10-26-2025 09:11 PM

5300 just now.

Peter_Spaeth 11-12-2025 11:25 AM

5800 auction sale last night on ebay.

Schlesinj 11-16-2025 01:55 PM

Debut tickets are also gaining too.

A newly autographed debut ticket PSA 4 sold for $11k before BP.


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