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SyrNy1960 11-06-2025 09:08 AM
Alex vs. Arod documentary
 
For those who may be interested, ALEX VS. AROD documentary will be starting on HBO tonight. As an avid Arod fan and collector, I will be watching. Should be interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03G0WfDiGEU

Peter_Spaeth 11-06-2025 10:04 AM
A man whose personality and use just destroyed his image. Very unfortunate. His lasting impact likely will be as a foil to Jeter.

bnorth 11-06-2025 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2548596)
A man whose personality and use just destroyed his image. Very unfortunate. His lasting impact likely will be as a foil to Jeter.
I went to a ton of Yankee away games. I always seen him signing for kids before the games. It was kinda funny how he done it and I loved it. Before the game while taking balls in the outfield he would go up to small groups of kids and sign a few things. Then as soon as the loser adults come running to get autos to sell he would just turn and walk away.:D

He has to be the undisputed PED King by a country mile. From all the stuff associated with him he done more PEDS before breakfast Monday morning than Barry and Roger done combined that week.

SyrNy1960 11-06-2025 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2548604)
I went to a ton of Yankee away games. I always seen him signing for kids before the games. It was kinda funny how he done it and I loved it. Before the game while taking balls in the outfield he would go up to small groups of kids and sign a few things. Then as soon as the loser adults come running to get autos to sell he would just turn and walk away.:D

He has to be the undisputed PED King by a country mile. From all the stuff associated with him he done more PEDS before breakfast Monday morning than Barry and Roger done combined that week.
He had a good side (ALEX) and a bad side (AROD).

bnorth 11-06-2025 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SyrNy1960 (Post 2548609)
He had a good side (ALEX) and a bad side (AROD).
I am a fan. I just missed on seeing #500 and #600 by a couple games. I was guessing/hoping and bought tickets a couple weeks in advance to the 3 game series I was hoping he would hit them in.

SyrNy1960 11-06-2025 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2548612)
I am a fan. I just missed on seeing #500 and #600 by a couple games. I was guessing/hoping and bought tickets a couple weeks in advance to the 3 game series I was hoping he would hit them in.
I enjoyed watching him play. Tried to ignore the drama. I always wonder what his true numbers would have been without PED use.

tiger8mush 11-06-2025 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SyrNy1960 (Post 2548615)
I enjoyed watching him play. Tried to ignore the drama. I always wonder what his true numbers would have been without PED use.
Didn't Canseco claim to have seen enough both in the clubhouse and socially to figure that a large percentage of players (not just the superstars) were using PEDs? The crappy players were using them too in hopes to be good enough to stay in the league.
My point - Hitters using PEDs faced pitchers using PEDs and vice versa. If you take AROD off PED's, he's still facing pitchers using them, so we'll never know what his true numbers would have been.

Brent G. 11-06-2025 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2548604)
I went to a ton of Yankee away games. I always seen him signing for kids before the games. It was kinda funny how he done it and I loved it. Before the game while taking balls in the outfield he would go up to small groups of kids and sign a few things. Then as soon as the loser adults come running to get autos to sell he would just turn and walk away.:D

He has to be the undisputed PED King by a country mile. From all the stuff associated with him he done more PEDS before breakfast Monday morning than Barry and Roger done combined that week.
In the battle of juiced-up colossuses, A-Rod couldn't touch Bonds, who did truly superhuman things on HGH, including 73, 762, and incredible cranium expansion.

A-Rod had some freakish years, but nothing in the neighborhood of Bonds' 2001-04 — at ages 36-40. I'd also take Clemens over him in the battle of roidheads — won his last Cy Young at 42, while A-Rod's last MVP was at 32. These are not natural occurrances.

ClementeFanOh 11-07-2025 07:46 AM
Alex vs Arod
 
It’s strange when someone undertakes such a concerted effort to make a distinction without a difference, for such a pariah. This guy dug his own grave in terms of reputation and legacy, then hurled himself into it for good measure. He’s a forgettable presence in the sport, like a ghost runner. Trent King

bnorth 11-07-2025 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Brent G. (Post 2548637)
In the battle of juiced-up colossuses, A-Rod couldn't touch Bonds, who did truly superhuman things on HGH, including 73, 762, and incredible cranium expansion.

A-Rod had some freakish years, but nothing in the neighborhood of Bonds' 2001-04 — at ages 36-40. I'd also take Clemens over him in the battle of roidheads — won his last Cy Young at 42, while A-Rod's last MVP was at 32. These are not natural occurrances.
I agree that Bonds and Clemens were WAY better players I just believe nobody even comes close when it comes to the amounts of PEDS used as A-Rod. A-Rod was associated with PEDs from the second he came into the league. He was even eating testosterone gummies during games.LOL

How can we define natural occurrences? Tony Gwynn for example, was his mid/late 30s beyond belief huge performance increase a natural occurrence?

EDIT: Did anyone watch the documentary and how was it?

Brent G. 11-07-2025 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2548754)
I agree that Bonds and Clemens were WAY better players I just believe nobody even comes close when it comes to the amounts of PEDS used as A-Rod. A-Rod was associated with PEDs from the second he came into the league. He was even eating testosterone gummies during games.LOL

How can we define natural occurrences? Tony Gwynn for example, was his mid/late 30s beyond belief huge performance increase a natural occurrence? You’re right, like Canseco said, very few were above suspicion. All the more reason to let the top roid era guys in the HOF.

EDIT: Did anyone watch the documentary and how was it?
Well Tony did crank a career-high 17 HR and 49 2Bs in ‘97 — year 17 for him — so maybe he was slamming Dianabol to get there.

Bonds and Clemens were on a plane of their own, being the best at what they did before roids, then going Ivan Drago when most their age would be fading.

bnorth 11-07-2025 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Brent G. (Post 2548764)
Well Tony did crank a career-high 17 HR and 49 2Bs in ‘97 — year 17 for him — so maybe he was slamming Dianabol to get there.
On a steroid note you don't slam(shoot) D-Bol. It is an oral(pill) from what I hear.;):)

Tony didn't swell up either so I doubt it was D-Bol.

On a kinda funny in a weird way note. Sadly teenagers are doing PEDs now at a way higher rate than before. As a joke a famous retired athlete recently said the teenagers need to get off them because they are getting too hard to find for the pro athletes that really need them.:D

Brent G. 11-07-2025 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2548765)
On a steroid note you don't slam(shoot) D-Bol. It is an oral(pill) from what I hear.;):)

Tony didn't swell up either so I doubt it was D-Bol.

On a kinda funny in a weird way note. Sadly teenagers are doing PEDs now at a way higher rate than before. As a joke a famous retired athlete recently said the teenagers need to get off them because they are getting too hard to find for the pro athletes that really need them.:D
You’ve heard of “slamming a beer”? — that’s an oral action, used in a sentence, “Mark McGwire sure slammed that Andro.”

And yes, I know a guy who got HGH for his small, unathletic 14-year old son — in this case, it did not work wonders.

bnorth 11-07-2025 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Brent G. (Post 2548767)
You’ve heard of “slamming a beer”? — that’s an oral action, used in a sentence, “Mark McGwire sure slammed that Andro.”

And yes, I know a guy who got HGH for his small, unathletic 14-year old son — in this case, it did not work wonders.
I had 2 friends(brothers) back in the 80s that were way smaller than their parents. They got prescribed a ton of different steroids and HGH in their teens. It never worked for them either as both maxed out at maybe 5'1".

I will say other than a couple surgeries and a two life long health problems they worked frickin amazingly well for me for a couple decades.:D

SyrNy1960 11-07-2025 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2548754)
Did anyone watch the documentary and how was it?
I did and thought it was good so far. Talked about his early life, time in Seattle, and some time in Texas. I believe there are two more episodes.

bnorth 11-07-2025 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SyrNy1960 (Post 2548783)
I did and thought it was good so far. Talked about his early life, time in Seattle, and some time in Texas. I believe there are two more episodes.
Awesome, hopefully I can stream it someplace soon.


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