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Brian Van Horn 11-21-2025 02:06 PM

Copy getting better=fraud getting worse.
 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/20586404836...Bk9SR4DJx__UZg

BobbyStrawberry 11-21-2025 02:07 PM

I don't see any fraud here. It's listed as a "novelty aged reprint"

Brian Van Horn 11-21-2025 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2551198)
I don't see any fraud here. It's listed as a "novelty aged reprint"


I am not accusing the seller and I apologize for the implication. . I am in reference to the person/persons who buy this and then re-sell it without the qualification.

BobbyStrawberry 11-21-2025 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn (Post 2551199)
I am not accusing the seller and I apologize for the implication. . I am in reference to the person/persons who buy this and then re-sell it without the qualification.

I see what you mean. My apologies as well for misunderstanding!

Aquarian Sports Cards 11-21-2025 06:11 PM

Yes the seller DID do something wrong. This isn't a reprint, it's a counterfeit. Just because he's not trying to pass it off as genuine doesn't give him a pass for selling something that is, in essence, illegal.

BobbyStrawberry 11-21-2025 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 2551228)
Yes the seller DID do something wrong. This isn't a reprint, it's a counterfeit. Just because he's not trying to pass it off as genuine doesn't give him a pass for selling something that is, in essence, illegal.

According to the dictionary, "counterfeit" includes the intention to defraud. If the seller made this card themself, with the intention to sell it with full disclosure of what it is, I find it hard to accept that they did anything wrong.

OPs point stands, though—it certainly could be used by someone later to try as pass off as an original. (Or it may have even been made by another owner previously for this purpose).

Leon 11-22-2025 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 2551228)
Yes the seller DID do something wrong. This isn't a reprint, it's a counterfeit. Just because he's not trying to pass it off as genuine doesn't give him a pass for selling something that is, in essence, illegal.

I agree but no one is going after this crime.

And, I agree with Brian, the buyer could be the next seller of fakes, acting like they are real. It only happens daily. Caveat emptor nowadays more than ever.

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Aquarian Sports Cards 11-22-2025 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2551235)
According to the dictionary, "counterfeit" includes the intention to defraud. If the seller made this card themself, with the intention to sell it with full disclosure of what it is, I find it hard to accept that they did anything wrong.

OPs point stands, though—it certainly could be used by someone later to try as pass off as an original. (Or it may have even been made by another owner previously for this purpose).

If I sell a fake Tiffany bracelet, and announce at the auction it's a fake, that doesn't make it legal.

Lorewalker 11-22-2025 11:32 AM

Maybe I am missing something here...reprints/counterfeits have been on eBay for decades...this is not even a good one, imo. Seller lists it as a reprint. I see nothing wrong. Maybe this is an eBay issue for allowing reprints then.

I don't think they allow knock offs of up scale handbags or watches so do away with the unauthorized reprinted cards.

G1911 11-22-2025 12:01 PM

How is a poor quality obvious reprint listed and sold as a reprint an example of copies getting better and fraud getting worse as a result?

BobbyStrawberry 11-22-2025 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 2551326)
If I sell a fake Tiffany bracelet, and announce at the auction it's a fake, that doesn't make it legal.

I am not a lawyer, but in your example, the legal issue is trademark infringement, no? Does this apply to 100+ year old baseball cards with ads from long-defunct brands?

calvindog 11-23-2025 07:53 AM

I think listing this piece of crap for $50 does suggest the seller thinks someone will buy it to pass off as legit down the road.


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