is an psa 8oc really a 7 ????
 

Posted By: <b>tomboy</b><p>any grading experts no the answer please help with this question

is an psa 8oc really a 7 ????
 

Posted By: <b>Elliot</b><p>that should answer your question (thanks to Bruce Moreland for the article):<BR><BR><a href="http://www.brucemo.com/cards/articles/oc.htm" target=_new>http://www.brucemo.com/cards/articles/oc.htm</a>

is an psa 8oc really a 7 ????
 

Posted By: <b>Dan Mathewson</b><p>I've heard several discussions about this...not only about the OC designation, but also about the MK.<BR><BR>I just bought a 1940 Play Ball that is a PSA-7 (MK). It has an old, faded, very small ink stamp on the back which doesn't take away from the beauty of the card at all. I was delighted to get it at a basically PSA-6 price. I'm still surprised that the designation OC or MK (if they don't detract from the card's aesthetics) will lower the value/cost of the card...especially if the OC is regarding the back of the card being off-center. A noticeable OC front? Yeah, that might warrant a lower value in most cases, I'd think. I just don't know if there is a static "rule-of-thumb" that applies a direct "-1" to the grade.<BR><BR>My Play Ball PSA-7 and PSA-7 (MK) will go into a framed display right next to each other with a few other gems (possibly the two PSA-5 1951 Connie Mack's and maybe something else...a cool display of some nice later cards)... I'll never see the difference between the 7 and the 7(MK) and both are gorgeous cards.

is an psa 8oc really a 7 ????
 

Posted By: <b>Dan Mathewson</b><p>I personally agree and prefer how other graders "mix-in" the factor of centering into the overlal grade of the card, rather than a grade and a "qualifier".<BR><BR>Does that author also talk about other designators, such as MK, or others?<BR><BR>-dan

is an psa 8oc really a 7 ????
 

Posted By: <b>Albie O'Hanian</b><p>I am not an expert on grading but here is my opinion based on cards I have and what I have seen written.<BR>First, it would all depend on the centering. Some 8 OC cards could very easily qualify as a 7. Some might get a straight 4. A 90/10 centered card that is an 8 OC would qualify as a 4. There is a wide range of off center grades in an 8OC. <BR>On the PSA set registry an 8OC gets the same rating as a straight 6 or two grades lower.

is an psa 8oc really a 7 ????
 

Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>I have a SGC40 e93 Griffith that would easily grade 70 or better if not for the fact that the centering is about 90/10 onthe front and SGC standards state that 90/10 gets no better than 40 <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14> Personally, I prefer the o/c qualifier. Not too thrilled with MK since any writing should make any card no better than VG. But that's just my opinion.<BR><BR>Jay

is an psa 8oc really a 7 ????
 

Posted By: <b>Bruce Moreland</b><p>That author is me, and I don't talk about it in the article. It's mainly about OC.<BR><BR>I don't know how the market has handled MK. I think that most people would downgrade a card with a mark on it more seriously than they'd downgrade an OC card.<BR><BR>If you have a "mint" card centered 80/20, there is still some value there, it's probably EX/MT. The same card with a mark, what is that? It's not EX/MT.<BR><BR>bruce<BR>

is an psa 8oc really a 7 ????
 

Posted By: <b>Bruce Moreland</b><p>This is an interesting point about MK, but I'd reach the opposite conclusion. If you can say with authority that a NM/MT card with a mark is VG, then you can value a PSA-8(MK). The same can be said for a PSA-8(ST), if the seller tells you that the stain is wax on the back.<BR><BR>It's not really standard what you <i>should</i> grade these kinds of cards, but if you have your own system, you can at least know how *you'd* grade them, and from there you can value them.<BR><BR>OC is freaky. I had an 8(OC) that was centered 65/35, or at least that was my argument to PSA when I sent it back in. I wanted the card converted to a straight PSA-8. The best they'd do was drop it to a 7, so I narrowly lost out. But there are a few out there that would definitely go down only one grade. The rest you'd have to assume are two grades at least.<BR><BR>Of course, this doesn't say anything about what they'd do if you sent them to SGC in 2000 or SGC now. They might get a different grade entirely from them.<BR><BR>bruce<BR>

is an psa 8oc really a 7 ????
 

Posted By: <b>Jeff S</b><p>It seems like MK is a useful idea, especially for particularly rare vintage cards that have been collected for a long time--like old judges with "N172" pencilled in on the back, or nice cards with a previous owner's stamp.<BR><BR>It is useful in the sense that large numbers of very attractive cards (like the one Dan is talking about above) would be automatic "1's" because of a pen mark or a stamp that may not mar anything other than an unoccupied corner of the back. <BR><BR>If consistently applied, the MK designation also seems like a good marketing tactic for PSA. I have lots of cards like those described above -- would be "ex" but for a stamp or something. Those cards rarely get authenticated and encased because their owners assume they'll be 1's. <BR>