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Posted By: <b>Jay Miller&nbsp; </b><p>This week SGC gets a chance to do themselves proud on Ebay item 2740697541 (Old Judge Farrar). Just think how high a grade the card could have gotten if all of it was there.

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Posted By: <b>Jay Miller</b><p>For those of you who don't know SLABBIBG BLUNDER is a BIG SLABBING BLUNDER.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>At least it looks like a vintage trim job, from the scan.....another sad day at SGC.... here's a link for the lazy (like me <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> ) <BR>Here's a couple more tidbits.... I am still waiting for the "open" vintage registry they said they would do. Also, I am not pinching pennies too much, and have not fully digested the increases in fees, but am not too happy about the SGC fee raising email I got recently.(GAI is looking better all of the time).........regards all<BR><BR><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2740697541" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2740697541</a>

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Posted By: <b>Jay Miller</b><p>Is it possible to tell from the holder when this card was slabbed?

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Yes it is possible as the slab serial number will tell you. Until I get home and look at my slabs I can't tell the approx date though ( I think you can tell by that). I can tell you it was done sometime in the past couple years, as that is about when the 1-10 grade was given under the 1-100 grade....ie the "3" on this card. I can also tell you it was the 28th card in the particular submission, hence the "28" at the end of the serial number......so bottom line is that this is at least a fairly current slab.....best regards

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>You are both nuts! If it is graded, then it is perfect!

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>I am looking at the card too and am wondering what the blunder is, other possibly being a touch overgraded due the back. Would you guys care to explain what youa re refering to.<BR><BR>Jay

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Posted By: <b>Todd (nolemmings)</b><p>the card is trimmed to where it's missing the bottom portion where the tag line for Goodwin & Co. is found. To his credit, David Bryan notes that in his description.

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Posted By: <b>petecld</b><p>It's a very recent grade. Post-Derek era.

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Posted By: <b>Jay Miller</b><p>I guess Derek is missed.

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Posted By: <b>julie</b><p>"What are the last five words on an Old Judge?" "Goodwin and Co. New York."

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Posted By: <b>TBob</b><p>Nah, couldn't be? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><BR>Maybe they'll say the bottom of the card was there when it was graded and David substituted another card and resealed it.

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Posted By: <b>botn</b><p>I am one to stick up for a grading company as you all know but..<BR><BR>At SportsFest I had a long talk with Sean at SGC and he made a great point with respect to errors that they make and will make. As a grading company they are always under the microscope. Rarely do we come on and give them praise each time that they do the right thing but "God forbid" (that is for my buddy BCD)they make a mistake. <BR><BR>He was not trying to make excuses but just point out the obvious. At least SGC can be approached on something like this and will handle it with class. I am sure that we all prefer that they or any of the grading companies make another mistake but that is not going to happen.<BR><BR>

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Posted By: <b>Jay Miller</b><p>I agree that SGC will most likely handle this in an exemplary manner. That's not the point. With graders supposedly checking graders on their work this obvious mistake, on the most popular and widely collected 19th century issue, should never happen.

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Posted By: <b>Elliot</b><p>I see the auction has been ended early-----did SGC buy the card back, as David doesn't normally end his auctions early?

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Posted By: <b>Jay Miller</b><p>David emailed me yesterday that he might end the auction early so I would guess that he just pulled the card.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Mckee</b><p>Graders checking Graders is great! An extra set of eyes is great! Problem is, at least 1 of them needs to know what he is looking at.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I spoke to a gentleman at SGC today and we spoke about a variety of topics. First of all the Old Judge was a flat out mistake. For a company that values itself on grading most of our little gems it was a large mistake. What to do? Fix it and try to not let it happen again. I am sure SGC and David spoke and it was agreed to pull the card asap...as should have been done. It should not have happened but did. I think, that as some things in life, you almost have to judge by the big picture though. What is the frequency of mistakes (understanding "one" is too many) that each company makes? So far I have personally seen fewer mistakes by SGC than the others. I don't have a great understanding of how well my friends at Beckett and SCD do, as I don't see too many old vintage cards in their holders. Can't speak much to their consistancy with that being said. AS for the price increase as I stated in my prior post on this thread I have gone back and "digested" it. There really wasn't an increase except in cross over fees. I guess I can live with that <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> As for the SGC "open" registry I really believe the ops people want to do it but it is a little out of their control. There are other priorities (I am told) and this has not made it to the top of the list. I explained how I know it might be a tough industry but this is a REVENUE generator....hmmm...oh well, what's the old saying...you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him Open the Registry <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> later

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Posted By: <b>Brian C Daniels</b><p>and customer service oriented. Bottom of the Ninth-go get the Wagner!