T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Sovereign 460 backs are not really tough, but they are exclusive to the 48 cards in the 460-only Series.<br /> Although, so far the Kleinow (Boston) and the Smith (Chi & Bos) cards from this Series have never been<br /> seen with SOV 460 backs.<br /><br />And, the much "tougher" CYCLE 460 back is available on many T206 cards in both the 350/460 Series<br /> and the 460-only Series. Including the Kleinow and Smith noted here.<br /><br />And, both these backs are available on the six Super Prints identified in Scot Reader's document.<br /><br />So, you T206 guys.... tell us what SOV 460 and CYCLE 460 backs you have in your collections....? <br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/cyclesov.jpg"><br /><br />

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Ted- I assume you got all the Sovereign 460 from my group so I don't have to go through all of them again.

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />I think the only one I have ever owned is Tannehill (No "L") with Sov 460.<br /><br />By the way, perusing Bill Brown's superset spreadsheet I noticed that Art Martineau has Cobb Red with a Sovereign 460 back--although since Art has been working on a complete T206 Tigers front/back set for years I seriously doubt you could get him to part with it.<br /><br />Scot

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Scott T</b><p>One Cycle 460 (Vic Willis-Throwing) and two Sovereign 460 (Gandil and Schlei-Batting) for me.<br><br>Scott <br />

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>joe</b><p>I have 1 Cycle 460 Jennings both hands. <br /><br />Joe<br><br>Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Stovall Batting SOV460

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

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T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Brian E.</b><p>Cycle 460<br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1162591214.JPG">

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Here is the list of Sovereign 460 backs that I have:<br /><br />Chase (Portrait, Blue)<br />Crandall (Portrait, With Cap)<br />Devore<br />Duffy<br />Ford<br />Frill<br />Geyer<br />Herzog (Boston)<br />Howell (Hands at Waist)<br />Lake (St. Louis, Ball in Hand)<br />Merkle (Throwing)<br />Murray (Portrait)<br />Oldring (Batting)<br />Pfeffer<br />Schaeffer (Washington)<br />Schlei (Portrait)<br />Schulte (Back View)<br />Sheckard (Glove Showing)<br />Smith (Brooklyn)<br />Tannehill (Tannehill on Front)<br />Wiltse (Portrait, With Cap)<br /><br />My Cycle 460:<br /><br />Bell (Pitching, Follow Thru)<br />Doolan (Batting)<br />Payne<br />Tinker (Bat off Shoulder)<br /><br /><br />

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Ray Piskadlo</b><p>Sovereign 460 - only one I own is Howell (Hand on hip).<br />No Cycle 460s.

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>I do not have all your Sov 460 cards.....when it's convenient, can you list all of them,<br />and mail the list to me.<br /><br />Thanks, TED Z

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Larrie dean</b><p>I have two with Sovereign 460 backs --- Josh Devore and Rube Geyer.

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>scott brockelman</b><p><br />Sovereign 460 Gandil & <br /><br />Cycle 460 Donlin-Batting<br /><br />Scott<br /><br />(I may have a few more Sov. 460's in the for sale box, have to check)<br />

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Travis Anderson</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />Sovereign 460<br /> Pfeffer batting<br /> Bridwell cap<br /><br />Cycle 460<br /> Ames hands in the air

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>John S</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1162600596.JPG">

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Drew</b><p>Ted<br /><br />Cycle 460<br />Burch Throwing<br />Rucker Throwing<br />Street Catching<br /><br />Sovereign 460<br />Bergen Catching<br />Hummel<br />Meyers Portrait<br />Schafer Washington<br /><br /><br><br>Drew

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>And, here are my CYCLE 460......<br /><br />Jennings (dancing)<br /><br />Murray (port-cap)<br /><br /><br />And, my SOVEREIGN 460......<br /><br />Chance (yellow port)<br /><br />Matthewson (dk cap)<br /><br />460-only SERIES......<br /><br />Abbataccio....Ball....Bell....Berger....Bescher.. ..Bridwell<br /><br />Camnitz....Camnitz (hds up)....Chance....Chase....Crandall<br /><br />Doyle....Duffy....Ford....Frill....Geyer....Herzo g....Howell<br /><br />Hummell....Lake....Latham....McGraw....Merkle.... Meyers<br /><br />Murray....Needham....Oldring....Overall....Payne. ...Pfeffer<br /><br />Schaefer....Schlei....Schlei(bat)....Schulte....S eymour<br /><br />Sheckard....Stovall....Tannehill....Wheat....Wilt se

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>anthony</b><p>sov 460 gandil<br /><br />cycle 460 donlin batting

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>Duffy

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Art M.</b><p>Ted,<br />More for your survey from my T206's...<br /><br />CYCLE 460<br />Camnitz, above<br />Chase, blue portrait<br />Cobb, red portrait<br />Crawford, batting<br />Jennings, 1 hand<br />Jennings, 2 hands<br />Mullin, batting<br />O'Leary, hands on knees<br />Pfeffer<br />Willetts<br /> <br />SOVEREIGN 460<br />Cobb, red portrait<br />Doyle, portrait with cap<br />Ford<br />Hummel<br />Overall, waist<br />Pfeffer<br />Schlei, portrait<br />

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>steve yawitz</b><p>Out of about 265 T206's, I have two Cycle 460's (Geyer and Schulte-back view) and one Sovereign 460 (another Geyer).<br><br><a href="http://imageevent.com/yawie99" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://imageevent.com/yawie99</a>

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Lee</b><p>1 Cycle 460 - O'Leary Hands on Knees GAI 3.5

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>WOW.....I would have never guessed that SOVEREIGN 460 cards are as tough as this Survey,<br />so far appears to be indicating.<br /><br />Thanks guys....but, let's continue with your inputs.....I know there is a lot more of you T206<br /> collectors out there on this Forum.<br /><br />And, will we see a Kleinow (Boston) or Smith (Chi & Bos) card with a SOV 460 back ?<br /><br />I'll buy the 1st person a drink of his/hers choice if they can produce either one of these 2 cards.<br />Now, I know these 2 cards exist with a CYCLE 460 back, so these do not get you a free drink.<br />Nevertheless, this front/back combination is quite scarce.<br /><br />T-Rex TED <br />

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Sov 460<br /><br />McGraw glove at hip<br />Wheat

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Mike Ernst</b><p>No Cycle 460 out of my 550 T-206.<br />Two Sovereign 460--Chance batting, and Geyer.

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>Trex,<br />looks like a good time again!!!<br /><br />out of 423 t206's:<br /><br />cycle 460 street catching; ford<br /><br />sovereign 460 Murray portrait; Schulte back view<br /><br />all the best,<br /><br />barry

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Todd</b><p>Cycle 460:<br /><br /> Jennings (both hands)<br /> Willett (Willetts)<br /><br />Sovereign 460:<br /><br /> Bell (follow through)<br /> Bridwell (with cap)<br /> Camnitz (hands over head)<br /> Devore<br /> Needham<br /> Tannehill (Tannehill)<br /> Tinker (bat on shoulder)<br /> Wiltse (portrait w/ cap)<br /><br />Thanks for all of your work on this!<br />

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Martin Neal</b><p>Sovereign 460 series<br />Wildfire Schulte back view<br />Hal Chase black hat<br /><br /><br />Cycle 460 series<br />Tom Downey batting<br />

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Jim Rivera</b><p>Ted<br />Here are mine<br /><br />Cycle 460<br />Doyle cap<br />Duffy<br />Herzog Boston<br />Oldring bat<br />Reulbach<br />Schlei bat<br />Street catch<br />Bergen<br />Willis bat<br />Conroy bat<br />Frill<br /><br />Sovereign 460<br />Bell follow through<br />Bridwell cap<br />Camnitz hands above head<br />Chase trophy<br />Doyle cap<br />Ford<br />Howell hands at waist<br />Needham<br />Payne<br />Tannehill<br />Wheat<br />

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />I have two:<br /><br />Matty Dark Cap and Bergen catching

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>WelL guys....so far no big surprises. The CYCLE 460 cards are tracking to a certain degree<br />with the SOV 460. This is to be expected, as all of the 48 cards in the 460-only Series, I'm<br />sure were associated with CYCLE 460 Tobacco brand. Indeed, they both are Factory 25, VA.<br /><br />It is interesting to note that Jennings (dancing) appears to be quite available with a CYCLE 460<br /> back.....as 4 of them have been reported in this sampling, so far. Cobb, Donlin (bat), O'Leary,<br /> and Street (catch) each have two samples.<br /><br />Come on guys, there has to be many more of these cards out there on this Forum. ?<br /><br />Thanks for your inputs.<br /><br />T-Rex TED

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Ted,<br /> I have to go to a Wedding tonight, so I 'll post mine tomorrow. <br /> Be well Brian

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>martindl</b><p><br />Zero Cycle 460<br /><br />Three Sovereign 460 - Needham, Payne and Pfeffer (sounds like a law firm)

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Marc S.</b><p>I have a Magee batting Cycle 460<br /><br />~ms

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Brian E.</b><p>Cycle 460<br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1162686776.JPG">

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Mike (18colt)</b><p>I have 1 Cycle 460 (Overall, pitching, hiding ball in glove) and 1 Sovereign 460 (Geyer). If I recall, the Cycle 460 I unintentionally bought (didn't know the series, just the Cycle part), and the Sovereign I bought on purpose because I didn't have one yet. By the way, that's out of 516 in my possession.<br /><br />Mike (18colt)

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>T206 Sovereign 460 Herzog <br />T206 Cycle 460 Geyer

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>I am relaying a Forum "reader's" list that was emailed to me.....<br /><br />CYCLE 460 cards.......<br /><br />Baker<br />Brown, Chi shirt<br />Conroy, w/bat<br />Donlin, w/bat<br />Dyle, NY Nat'l, w/bat<br />Kleinow, Bos<br />Leach, bending over<br />Mullin, w/bat<br />Needham<br />Schulte, back view<br />Sheckard, glove showing<br />Smith, Happy<br />Willis, STL w/bat<br />Wiltse, port w/cap<br /> <br />SOV 460 cards......<br /><br />Bridwell, w/cap<br />Camnitz, arm at side<br />Chase, dark cap<br />Cra, port, w/cap<br />Howell, hands at waist<br />Hummell<br />Schlei, batting<br />Wheat

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>OK, Here we go. I had not updated my list lately and found I had alot more than I thought.<br /><br />Cycle 460:<br /><br />Baker<br />Bridwell<br />Chance (Yellow)<br />Chase (trpohy)<br />Camnitz<br />Davis<br />Duffy<br />Donlin<br />Devore<br />Dougherty<br />Jordan<br />Joss<br />Kleinow (Boston)<br />Lake<br />Matty (BLK Cap)<br />McGraw (Port w/Cap)<br />Meyers (Port)<br />Murphy<br />Pfeister<br />Rucker<br />Smith, F (Chic & Bost)<br />Smith, Happy<br />Willis (Bat)<br />Wiltse (Port)<br /><br />Edited to Add, Conroy Cycle 460<br /><br />Sov 460:<br />Abbatichio<br />Camnitz<br />Crandall<br />Duffy<br />Hummel<br />Oldring<br />Schlei<br />Sheckard<br />Tannenhill<br />Wheat<br /><br />If anyone has any Cycle 460 to trade I have some extra AB 460 backs and other cards for trade. (sorry Leon)<br /><br />Lee

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Ed McCollum</b><p>Sovereign 460<br />"Happy" Smith, Brooklyn<br /><br />Have two other Sovereigns with so much back damage, you can't tell what series, so wouldn't dare take a guess.

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>BRIAN W<br /><br />Hey good Buddy.....I am anxious to see all your CYCLE & SOV 460 cards ?<br /><br />And, all you other guys, too ?<br /><br />Best Regards....TED Z

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>rob</b><p>Cycle 460:<br /><br />Doolan batting<br />geyer<br />magee batting<br />schlei port<br /><br />Soveregin 460:<br /><br />crandall - cap<br />duffy<br /><br />out of about 250 cards.

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Ted,<br /> Gone to NY until Sunday, but will post by backs as soon as I can.<br /><br /> Be well Brian

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>RayB</b><p>I have 1 Cycle 460<br /><br />Bradley With Bat PSA 3<br /><br />I have 2 Sovereign 460<br /><br />Geyer PSA 3<br />Chase w/ Trophy PSA 2<br /><br />RayB<br /><br />I am inclusive in the B. Brown superset.

T206 SURVEY....Sovereign & Cycle 460 backs
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Gee....I've been away vacationing in Greece and the Islands and visiting with my<br />relatives and you guys "dropped the ball" on this Survey......<br /><br />How about some more inputs ?<br /><br />TED Z

Bump to revive this thread. It appears to me there seems to be an equal amount of Sov and Cycle from this count and we never did hear from Brian Weisner.

I will put in an updated list in before the weekend for me.

Lee

Only Sov 460 I have..........
 

Don't have any Cycle 460's..

very interesting clayton...
 

... that your sovereign 460 has epdg wet sheet transfer!
would this not indicate that the subjects with those two backs were printed simultaneously?

Hi Mark-

Yes,it is very strange to me also.I showed this some months back asking about that,and peoples opinions varied,but as I recall no one was certain.

I thought it was a wet sheet transfer myself,but many people pointed out to me that wet sheet transfers are usually the same ghost image on the front as the tobacco brand advertised on the back (as you often see Tolstoi/Tolstoi).

I wish I knew the answer.When I bought this card,it was already slabbed.
Another board member mentioned it may have come in contact with a solvent,like kerosene.Although I respect his opinion,I don't know if I buy that one,for I think there would be more visible damage on the front and back of the card.

If anyone has any thoughts on this,I'd love to hear them.

Sincerely,Clayton

1 Sov 460
 

Sov 460
Needham