[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by orly57

Sgc is about 45 minutes from where I live. I have crossed over quite a few (around 20) cards from BVG to SGC. My stats are something like this:

50% were a half grade reduction
20% were a full grade reduction (or more)
20% didnt meet the min grade
10% were deemed trimmed

Not ONE card crossed over with the same grade. When the grader sees its in a bvg holder he goes into it ready to attack the card and prove how much tougher sgc is than bvg. My 1955 Topps All Anerican Thorpe that once sat in a BVG 8 holder currently resides in an SGC 86. But this is the one that hurts the worst...it WAS in a bvg 7:

FWIW - I have NEVER had a Beckett 7 cross over to an SGC 84 (or better). Probably talking about 25-30 attempts. I have stopped buying anything in a Beckett Slab.