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					Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth  There is some force to that argument but what do you do with, for example, the Fleer Update Clemens that I think was only issued in a set?  Beckett used to XRC it and others like it but to me that seems stupid. | 
	
 I, myself, don't consider Update or Traded series to be the rookie cards either. For Clemens, I say his rookie card is the 85 Topps. I say Ripken's rookie card is the 1982 Topps, and not the Traded as well. If a card is only issued in a factory set, that to me is not in the spirit of the "rookie card" that you pull from a pack.