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					Originally Posted by Tabe  His being in the Hall implies he's an all-time great.
 I suppose you could argue that Eck has more career value than Sutter but that's just because he has a decade+ of mediocre years as a starter. Sutter, who also doesn't belong in the Hall, was clearly a better reliever than Eck.
 
 Didn't mean to put words in your mouth.
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 Yes being in the Hall does imply that he is an all-time great.  But as I have said twice now, I do not think he should be in.  It sounds like we agree here.
One could argue that Eck has more career value than Sutter did.  It’s a very easy case as he pitched triple the innings and has 250% more WAR.  I cannot come up with a way to conclude Sutter had more value and that WAR is wildly off in this case.  I also very explicitly noted in my post that Eck’s starting career is what puts him over many other relievers in the math.  So I don’t see where we disagree here either.