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					Originally Posted by  jchcollins
					 
				 
				Cards perhaps (I'm not going to say the T206 Wagner is overvalued given it's lore and enduring myth presence), but just in terms of garden variety fandom Cobb seems to be way more popular than Wagner. And that to me seems a bit messed up. 
			
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 Why? I have no wish to denigrate the legendary Honus Wagner but Ty Cobb's lifetime batting average and OPS of .388 and .944 were higher than Honus Wagner's marks of .328 and .862 respectively. Moreover Ty Cobb's record for lifetime hits wasn't broken until Pete Rose did so in 1985. Finally Ty Cobb is still #4 (#3 under the present day definition) in the all-important category of stolen bases.
  
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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						Last edited by Balticfox; 06-21-2025 at 11:24 PM.
					
					
				
			
		
		
		
	
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