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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop
Zach—is it known if any of the Desert Shield packs had any of the older insert cards or instant winner cards Topps placed in their 40 year anniversary packs ?
Also—have all of the known DS packs been the 15 card type ?
Do we know how the DS cards were sent overseas and through what means ? And how many of those made were actually sent overseas ? And were DS cards sent or created only in pack form or were there factory DS sets ?
And I assume if someone bought what were purported to be DS packs that had not been authenticated as described in the article, the only way to confirm their authenticity is to open them
I have had two DS sets that I bought in the mid 90s. I sold one. When buying one of them the seller included a pack he claimed was a DS pack. It was a throw in for no charge. I did not realize I was getting the pack until the set arrived. I will never know if it is legit. Fortunately both sets were legit
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Al,
The set appears to be a last minute product that they quickly produced and distributed. I believe they were airlifted overseas out of Myrtle Beach.
The Chicago Tribune ran an article in Feb 1991 stating that troops could pull one of the 300,00 vintage card or redemption certificates out of the packs:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...or-certificate
One article noted Topps spokesperson Ken Liss as stating only 5MM were initially shipped. It is unclear what happened to the remainder. Apparently most cases sat in an air force warehouse since Desert Shield ended Jan 17, 1991. Approx. 1.5MM cards were returned to the air force base in Myrtle Beach (Oct. 1992 per the Star News).
I do not think DS will be found in anything other than 15 card packs, but can't be certain. We know it is likely Topps retained some cards for whatever reason and it is possible they made some employee factory sets. My original contact for information on DS which came from the estate of a Topps exec, who said he had been responsible for the creation of this set said they also made various employee cards and other items as a year end employee bonus. That is where I got my 11 Topps DS sheets from as you are aware. If a factory set were produced, I would think it would have surfaced by now.
I have had buyers of the DS packs found on eBay tell me most of the packs they bought were previously opened and resealed. They go for about $300. I have 32 packs remaining, half of which BBCE authenticated and wrapped in a hard protective pack; the others are unauthenticated but I believe are not previously opened or searched. I have the original box they came in. When I inspected the creases at the bottom of the box (which looks exactly like a 1991 Topps box), the creases had particles of sand fall out. The packs I previously opened or gave away were legit. Could be a deceptive seller from 20+ years ago, but won't know until I open the remainder.
Steve Hart told me at that time the only way they could authenticate packs is by opening an unopened box, randomly selecting 4-8 packs and the authenticating the remainder. They no longer authenticate packs. As previously noted in the blog posts above by Keith, when BBCE authenticates a box, of which he noted there were thought to be 9+/- remaining, BBCE would randomly open a similar # of packs, and then replace the opened packs with known, verified DS packs and reseal the box as "Authentic". All BBCE authenticated boxes are therefore "Frankenboxes".
Note - you can sometimes see the backs of the card through the wax paper once a blacklight illuminates the pack. Most (but not all) DS cards are glowbacks as we know. Check to see if you can make out the glowbacks.