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Originally Posted by rats60
You are misusing ERA+. It is irrelevant for comparing pitchers in different eras. The 60s were a low run scoring environment because of the quality of pitchers. It is easy to dominate in a league of lousy pitchers. Also, Johnson didn’t pitch in a DH league those years, he pitched for Arizona the years I listed. Koufax is better in every stat except for strikeouts. 3 pitching triple crowns, 3 unanimous MLB Cy Young, 4 no hitters, more shutouts, 2 WS MVP, those show true dominance, not being better than lousy pitchers.
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ERA+ measures the domiance vs their peers. That is not misused at all: However, no point beating a dead horse:
So the pitchers were elite in 1900-1915 with all those 2.11 ERA's and 40 complete games a year...then forgot how to pitch in the 1930's, then were elite again in the 1960s....but just a few years later forgot how to pitch again when offense upticked....then got real good in the late 80's/early 90's...then forgot how to pitch again starting in 1994?
Sounds like a good plan.
If we flip the switch onto the hitters and peak dominance:
Dante Bichette 1995-1999, 162 game average:
33 HR
137 RBI
.318 BA
Willie Mays best five year stretch in the 1960's when he won an MVP and finished in top five three other of those years.
46 HR
118 RBI
.304 BA
Hank Aaron
40 HR
120 RBI
.313
Bichette beats both in two out of three categories. Raw stats only count remember. If no ERA+, then no OPS+. So if you are championing Koufax and his raw numbers compared to Randy Johnson, then that same method makes Bichette a better hitter at his peak than both Mays and Aaron in the 1960's.
Welcome to the HOF Dante Bichette.
PS The ONLY measurable across eras is:
If you are out there selecting a team, please let me know if you have two pitchers with equal mental capacity, and one is ten inches taller than the other, throws 5-7 MPH harder, has better command, better movement, and more physical mental toughness in pitching through pain.
I'll take the taller kid. You can have the other one.