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Originally Posted by G1911
The Koufax advocates are now arguing that
A) pitchers before integration do not count for "all time"
and
B) pitchers before the Cy Young Award do not count for "all time"
When I said the logic had run off the rails earlier, well, it's now even worse.
Also, Randy Johnson won 5 Cy Young's, so even with this twisted logic, Koufax loses.
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Don't forget that Koufax pitched against some great hitters (which he did,) while Grove only pitched against white stumblebums. Pitching against Pete Rose was way tougher than pitching against wussies like "Ruth" or "Gehrig."