Interesting CGC allegation video

[JustinD]

Presenting just for discussion on grading as this obviously does not concern a card but a comic book graded by a card grading service.

IF indeed the idea presented was what happened, I find the theory of the original graded sub being sold for profit and the swapped item then undergraded cracked and resubmitted to get the correct higher grade adding false counts and additional money an intriguing one.

Could such errors be more common than thought and a source for some of the many overgraded cards and/or undergraded cards? What would that say about internal QC?

This seems far more theoretical than factual as the explanation is impossible to factually prove and can only be a best guess by the hosts. I also know and follow to a T, the “buy the card not the holder” and a ton of those responses is already expected. However, we all know that numerous collectors especially younger ones don’t.Hoping for some deeper thoughts than that on what this says as to the grading industry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biOqnOWbN1g

[Leon]

I watched some of the video. It's just grading....buy the card, not the holder.

I am glad I skipped around on the video as to not waste all of the 15 minutes to know it's just grading. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
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[robw1959]

I don't know. I suppose it is possible given the numbers of cards being handled daily by these grading companies. Ultimately, for the buyer, it comes down to purchasing the card and not the holder, which is what we see happening more and more in our hobby. If this is really happening, then yes, the numbers of higher graded cards is artificially being inflated, causing a perception perhaps that there is less scarcity then truly exists among higher grade examples. But it is probably a smaller concern than what we already know is happening with the cross-grading process. I think cracking out a card and resubmitting it to a different grader artificially bumps up the numbers way more than this proposed card switching theory.

[Zach Wheat]

nothing surprises me anymore regarding grading.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by robw1959

I don't know. I suppose it is possible given the numbers of cards being handled daily by these grading companies. Ultimately, for the buyer, it comes down to purchasing the card and not the holder, which is what we see happening more and more in our hobby. If this is really happening, then yes, the numbers of higher graded cards is artificially being inflated, causing a perception perhaps that there is less scarcity then truly exists among higher grade examples. But it is probably a smaller concern than what we already know is happening with the cross-grading process. I think cracking out a card and resubmitting it to a different grader artificially bumps up the numbers way more than this proposed card switching theory.

Agreed, I don’t think this is a real issue that surpasses crack and subs even infinitesimally. I can’t imagine it as affecting many vintage cards as seldom are people submitting multiples. It “could” be a factor in the mass submission of modern cards at 50-60 of the same cards seen often with new rookies.

I guess my thoughts are leaning more towards the bigger and faster you grow and leaner for more profit does the quality control eventually become so bad that mistakes are completely commonplace? I would answer, in any industry…yes.

That said, I will add my quote too for the registration addicts. “Buy the card, not the holder”.

[D. Bergin]

Buy the Comic, not the Coffin!

[UKCardGuy]

I came away from the video with a new phrase: a "gift grade"

I've not heard that before, but I like it.

I'd really like a gift grade because I usually seem to get grade-shafted.

[Fred]

It was an interesting video. Play it at 1.75 speed to get through it much quicker. The audio is clear at 1.75 speed.

One of these days... bubble is gonna pop on a lot of collectibles.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Fred

One of these days... bubble is gonna pop on a lot of collectibles.

Probably. But it could be a while. And it might take lots of general economic pain to get there.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I also know and follow to a T, the “buy the card not the holder” and a ton of those responses is already expected. However, we all know that numerous collectors especially younger ones don’t. Hoping for some deeper thoughts than that on what this says as to the grading industry.

The deepest thoughts needed on most grading related topics is BTCNTH.

Laughing out loud.

Those who don't follow that very simple mantra deserve exactly what they get.

The more they lose the better the lesson learned.

Or not, hahaha.

No sympathy from me.