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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: runscott
Okay, I know this is an old topic, but I've been accumulating my evidence in behalf of Ed Reulbach. Let's hear who you think has been unfairly omitted, and please, what's missing from Big Ed's resume?!? |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: brian
My vote goes to Bill Dahlen, almost 2500 hits for a middle infielder. Others which should receive consideration, Sherry Magee, Bill donavon, Jack Quinn and of course Ed Reulbach. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: David
James Creighton |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: jay behrens
definately Creighton, also Decon Phillippe, Ron Santo, Bert Blyleven, Gary Carter. And if you are going to put Koufax in for 5 great years and bunch of mediocre years, then you have to put Jim Rice in. Not sure if Harry Stovey and George Davis (easily the greatest 2B in the 19th C) have gotten in yet, but they should be along with George Gore and Bud Fowler (the first Black player) and possibley a few other 19th C players. I am sure there are a number of players from the Negro LEagues that have been overlooked too. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: Kevin Cummings
I think the problem with Ed Ruelbach is that he is too much like many other pitchers who also have what could be construed as "legitimate" claims to the Hall of Fame - none of whom is outstanding. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: TBob
The man Cobb said was the best 3rd baseman in the game, Buck Weaver. The man Cobb said was the best hitter he ever saw, Joe Jackson. The man who if he hadn't given up baseball for the theater would have been a lock for the Hall, Turkey Mike Donlin. |
#7
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: Brian Hodes
B. Dahlen (really similar to Geo. Davis), |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: Jaime Leiderman
James Creighton! |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: Jeff Obermeyer
IMO there are already way too many players in the HOF, and adding more "borderline" players does nothing but dilute it even more. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: jeff
I generally feel that inducting long-deceased players (G. Davis, Willis, potentially Reulbach, etc.) is a waste. Nobody gains anything from it besides, as Jeff points out, the second-tier players who then have a claim to standing in a diluted HOF. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: petecld
I always get criticized quite soundly when I express the same sentiment among my friends. Heck, I've even had bar peanuts tossed at me. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: Julie Vognar
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#13
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: runscott
I guess I'm just reading the stats differently for Reulbach. He WAS the Cubs dominant pitcher for several years...yes, better than Mordecai Brown. And though ERA was generally low during the years he pitched (14 yrs - doesn't seem like a short career to me), the same number of teams had to lose as win, and his W-L percentage was certainly HOF-caliber - 182-106. I don't consider him a borderline player at all. The ones you listed (Niekro,Sutton) are borderline, and guys like Blyleven and Santo don't even make it on the map. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: Elliot
On the topic of who's in, but shouldn't be---what about Tinker and Evers. Also, Bresnahan---it helps to have friends on the VC. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: jay behrens
I am torn between the 'supernovas' like Koufax and 'career' players, that play for 20+ years and post outstanding career numbers, but never dominated in a season. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: jay behrens
easily half of all HOFers that got in via the VC could be tossed and no one would really complain. Everyone knows that the VC was an old-cronies network that voted in friends. The most egregeous of these probably being Lindstrom and Maranville, just to name a few. I'm surprised Casey from Mudville didn't get elected when Tinkers-Evers-Chance did. They got in because of a poem, so why not Mighty Casey? |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: runscott
Most of Niekro's career you barely noticed he was there. Same with Sutton - he was a hard thrower for a few years, then learned to "pitch" just to hang around for a long career, never dominating anything. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: Julie Vognar
led the leagues in errors almost every year he played... |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: Jay Miller
Two of the dominant players during their era were Pete Browning and,one of my favorites, Dave Orr. The arguement against them is that they played in the "inferior" American Association. First, the "inferior" part is hogwash; American Association teams held their own very well in interleague play. Second, in 1890 when Orr and Browning competed with the big boys as part of the Player's League they were two of the league's top hitters. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: jay behrens
Forgot to mention Orr and Browning. They were definately two of the best hitters in their day. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: Brian Hodes
Ward is a definite HOFer (even if the standards were heightened considerablY)His short careers first as a pitcher (2.10 lifetime ERA) and then as a hitter (2000 hits, 1400 Runs etc) are each close to HOF level... Throw in his managerial career and his off-the0-field role as a labor leader etc and he is really one of the most significant figures in 19th Century Baseball... |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: W.M.
Considering he played from 1888 to 1902 he put up some pretty decent numbers Sam Crawford called him a great outfielder. I would like to see the veterans commitee give him another look. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: David
Since Robin Yount is my favorite player, I think he should have been voted in twice |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: TBob
thanusing the same theory, Tony Oliva belongs. His star blazed about the same time and he was the mst feared hitter (not slugger, hitter) in the American League in the 60's. His career was similar to Kirby Puckett's, and Puck was a 1st time entrant. Puck's eye, Tony O's knees. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: harry
Nothing against Oliva, but Koufax was a much more dominant pitcher at the pinnacle of his career than Oliva was a hitter. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: jeff
having now found out about the Dickie Thon Fan Club, my life is now complete! |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: john
as long as omar vizquel makes the hall of fame ill be happy(and i'll retire!). If i could vote tho the first 2 players i would put in is Jimmy Ryan and Tony Mullane,but maybe i should get some of their cards before i do that.... also i would make Larry Corcoran an honorary member (eventho he didnt play long enough)for no particular reason(shut up scott! ) |
#28
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: runscott
...because he has the weirdest collection of anyone I know. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: glenv
Rose! |
#30
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: Jay Miller
John--Drop me an email. I have another Corcoran. |
#31
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: runscott
contributing to John's illness |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: Elliot
Tbob got mad at once before when I posted this link, but here goes: |
#33
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: John
Im preparing my speech now. Just for the record i collect Pirates cards,Carlton Fisk,Rondell White,Omar Vizquel (rookies only,3200+ but i got them cheap!),Larry Corcoran,old judge and t206 cards,and tobacco type cards....He thinks its wierd that i have only 3 t204 cards and they are all Tom Reilly ..... the only reason scott wants ed reulbach in the hall of fame is Scott collects his cards,next thing you know hes gonna want nap rucker in too! |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: HalleyGator
"contributing"???? |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: Thomas
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: Andy Baran
I'm not sure how you can put McGinnity in a group of questionable pitchers with long careers. Joe only played 10 season's, and averaged just under 25 wins per year. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: john
the only known cure is a free(gradeable) bid mcphee card for Hal,please help us! |
#38
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: jay behrens
If Mattingly played for anyone but the Yankees no one would even consider him candidate. Hrbek was a better fielder than him. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: Julie Vognar
when i say he led the league in errors almost every year, I mean like twice as many as anyone else! Just thought it should be mentioned. I looked him up when i got the A35 with him on it. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: runscott
Mattingly puts Herbie to shame - you're being Minnesota-biased. Get in the chat-room and lets duke it out. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: Kevin Cummings
Admittedly, Herbie was good; Mattingly was better. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: warshawlaw
Great slugger, great first baseman, great manager (he should get in for that job alone). |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: Anonymous
Mattingly was a great fielder -- but during some of his career there was one better fielding 1B -- in New York no less -- Jerry Seinfeld's pal Keith Hernandez! |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: jay behrens
No MN bias. Hrbek may have been big a fat, but he was a much better defensive 1B than Mattingly. I watched him dig balls and make diving stops that would have gotten past Mattingly. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: jay behrens
Anyone that knows anything about fielding stats knows that they are the most useless stats around. Right there with the Game Winning RBI. Lots of SS had better lifetime fielding numbers than Ozzie Smith, but I don't think anyone would claim those players better defensively than Ozzie. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: Brian Hodes
Good night. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: runscott
If he could have kept up those "prime year" stats for another three years he would have been in by now, but he'll get in anyway. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: W.M.
Mattingly !!! How could anyone consider Mattingly and not Gil Hodges is beyond me, Only because Mattingly was a Yankee that does not make him a HOF Canidate. Mattingly. HA |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: warshawlaw
I agree he belongs but as a manager. I think he is below the age floor for managers to go in. |
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Who's missing from the HOF?
Posted By: Rob
2 people who come to mind that are missing from the Hall of Fame are simply |
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