Tinker-Evers-Chance

[Rhotchkiss]

Rainy day in Coastal Carolina, and I was bored looking through pics on my phone when I found this. Tinker to Evers to Chance - post’em if you got’em (and the poem for good measure)

[mrreality68]

Nice looking cards Ryan and the poem is a nice touch

Hopefully we see more cards from others

[gonefishin]

It's not vintage, but it's a 1 of 1 of Chance!

[BioCRN]

The mark on the Tinker is a small/faded pen mark of a few letters on the back.

[3-2-count]

Tinker -



To Evers -



To Chance -

[Peter_Spaeth]

Not mine but kinda mandatory in this thread.

[stutor]

Amazing cards !!!! That uzit and red hindu 😳

[chadeast]

[bgar3]

The poem first appeared in a newspaper under a different title, but the first book appearance was in In Other Words, 1912 by Franklin P Adams. I think the newspaper printing was 1910. Adams’ poetry books contain quite a few baseball themed poems.

[Yoda]

Can someone please enlighten me as to what a "gonfalon bubble'











Can someone please enlighten me as to what a "gonfalon bubble," is?














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[Kawika]

[commishbob]

Not trimmed despite how my scanner cropped them several years ago for my blog.

And the oft forgotten 4th member of that infield (a card I bought here on N54)

[rdwyer]

I picked this up a while back.

[pitchernut]

Well, a mini version anyway.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Can someone please enlighten me as to what a "gonfalon bubble," is?
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A gonfalon is a pennant. "Pricking one's gonfalon bubble" simply means bursting one's bubble in regard to their hopes of winning the pennant.

In this case, the poem's author (Franklin P. Adams) was a Giants fan. While hoping for a Giant's pennant berth, Tinker/Evers/Chance would ruthlessly burst his bubble by turning a Giant hit into a "double" (short for a double-play).

[Belfast1933]

One of my faves... might need to display alongside the poem. Just so cool to have all 3, in the right order, no less!

[jsfriedm]

Here they are:

[FrankWakefield]

Yoda, Please consider this a tweak of Mark's response about gonfalon...

Franklin Pierce Adams wrote that... read about him in Wiki. He was super literate, as were the others in the Algonquin Round table (read about that, in Wiki, too).

So, at the time, the New York Times crossword puzzle had not used the word GONFALON in the clues for a word, nor as a word for a puzzle. It was THAT to which he was referring, bursting THAT bubble. These folks were all about the words... hence the way that poem is written.

While fine tuning my answer to that, I came across the 15 letter aspect of the 3 players, and I don't recall ever encountering that before...

The last name, plus the position... when the letters for that are added the total for each is 15.

Tinker 6 short 5 stop 4 6+5+4=15
Evers 5 second 6 base 4 5+6+4=15
Chance 6 first 5 base 4 6+5+4=15

What does that mean?

1- the 15 letter thing is a huge coincidence.

2- these Roundtable guys (and a few gals) were really digging into every sentence, word, letter count, and definition that might be associated in some way that they've overlooked.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

While fine tuning my answer to that, I came across the 15 letter aspect of the 3 players, and I don't recall ever encountering that before...

The last name, plus the position... when the letters for that are added the total for each is 15.

Tinker 6 short 5 stop 4 6+5+4=15
Evers 5 second 6 base 4 5+6+4=15
Chance 6 first 5 base 4 6+5+4=15

What does that mean?

1- the 15 letter thing is a huge coincidence.

2- these Roundtable guys (and a few gals) were really digging into every sentence, word, letter count, and definition that might be associated in some way that they've overlooked.

Too bad the small bears traded with Cincinnati to get Harry Steinfelt after the 1905 season, then sold Hans Lobert to the reds a couple months later...

Lobert 6 third 5 base 4 6+5+4 = 15

They could've had an all 15 infield. And when Reulbach, Lundgren, or Pfeister pitched......

[Jobu]

Fun figuring out which ones to post

[molenick]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Yoda, Please consider this a tweak of Mark's response about gonfalon...

Franklin Pierce Adams wrote that... read about him in Wiki. He was super literate, as were the others in the Algonquin Round table (read about that, in Wiki, too).

So, at the time, the New York Times crossword puzzle had not used the word GONFALON in the clues for a word, nor as a word for a puzzle. It was THAT to which he was referring, bursting THAT bubble. These folks were all about the words... hence the way that poem is written.

While fine tuning my answer to that, I came across the 15 letter aspect of the 3 players, and I don't recall ever encountering that before...

The last name, plus the position... when the letters for that are added the total for each is 15.

Tinker 6 short 5 stop 4 6+5+4=15
Evers 5 second 6 base 4 5+6+4=15
Chance 6 first 5 base 4 6+5+4=15

What does that mean?

1- the 15 letter thing is a huge coincidence.

2- these Roundtable guys (and a few gals) were really digging into every sentence, word, letter count, and definition that might be associated in some way that they've overlooked.

Just a little tweak to Frank's comments. The poem was published in 1910. While word games in a grid existed before then, the first modern crossword as we know it was not published until 1913 and the NY Times did not publish one until 1942.

And while Adams was later a member of the Algonquin Round Table, the heyday of that group was 1919-1929.

I am not sure about the rest of the analysis but I always interpreted "pricking our gonfalon bubble" to mean "ruining our chances to win the pennant". I never thought it meant "the word gonfalon has not appeared in the NY Times crossword puzzle".

But maybe I am misreading Franks's comments.

[Casey2296]

A study in Blue.
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[Yoda]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Yoda, Please consider this a tweak of Mark's response about gonfalon...

Franklin Pierce Adams wrote that... read about him in Wiki. He was super literate, as were the others in the Algonquin Round table (read about that, in Wiki, too).

So, at the time, the New York Times crossword puzzle had not used the word GONFALON in the clues for a word, nor as a word for a puzzle. It was THAT to which he was referring, bursting THAT bubble. These folks were all about the words... hence the way that poem is written.

While fine tuning my answer to that, I came across the 15 letter aspect of the 3 players, and I don't recall ever encountering that before...

The last name, plus the position... when the letters for that are added the total for each is 15.

Tinker 6 short 5 stop 4 6+5+4=15
Evers 5 second 6 base 4 5+6+4=15
Chance 6 first 5 base 4 6+5+4=15

What does that mean?

1- the 15 letter thing is a huge coincidence.

2- these Roundtable guys (and a few gals) were really digging into every sentence, word, letter count, and definition that might be associated in some way that they've overlooked.

Mark & Frank, tks guys, now the ganfalon word has been uploaded into my vocabulary, and i can now say without quivering, 'sure hope the Yanks win the AL East Ganfalon'.
Wasn't Dorothy Parker a member of the Algonquin crowd who used to gather at the Chelsea Hotel to exchange literary views and get shitfaced?

[Baseball Rarities]

1908 PC760 Rose Co. postcards featuring classic Horner portraits.

[brass_rat]

Originally Posted by Jobu

Fun figuring out which ones to post

Bryan, the eye appeal of that CB is off the charts.

And Kevin, that's an awesome trio

[Casey2296]

Very nice Kevin.

[molenick]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Mark & Frank, tks guys, now the ganfalon word has been uploaded into my vocabulary, and i can now say without quivering, 'sure hope the Yanks win the AL East Ganfalon'.
Wasn't Dorothy Parker a member of the Algonquin crowd who used to gather at the Chelsea Hotel to exchange literary views and get shitfaced?

Yes, she was. And while the Chelsea Hotel had its own scene, the Algonquin crowd gathered at the Algonquin Hotel.

[molenick]

I'm not sure if you can read this without a subscription, but here is an article about NY literary landmarks https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-new-york.html

The Chelsea Hotel was home to many writers, composers, artists etc. who created works while living at the hotel. The Algonquin was more of a gathering spot, like The Odeon or Elaine's.

I feel like I have posted a lot without a card, so here is an Evers.

[nineunder71]

Amazing cards guys, well done!!

I never show off this ugly Chance, but it is one of my favs

Cheers All

[fkm_bky]

Great cards guys! Keep em coming! I could contribute, but what I own has been shared multiple times in far better and rarer condition

Bill

[Casey2296]

Here's a couple that haven't been posted yet, there was no Tinker in the E94 unfortunately so his portrait will have to stand in.
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[tedzan]

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My favorite guy of this famous trio is Frank Chance....here is a small sampling of my cards.





SOVEREIGN 150..........................AMERICAN BEAUTY 460






Last but not least is this sharp looking 1910 COUPON card....a card that I have had for many years, that now belongs in Ryan's collection.

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TED Z

T206 Reference
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The Colgan Chips Lexicon

[Aplyon86]

Everyones cards are in way too nice of condition. Here's this one.

Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk

[FrankWakefield]

Michael, I think you're correct. You didn't misread what I had, what I put up wasn't correct. I now share that concept of a "gonfalon bubble" as what Cubs fans experience every spring until midseason (excepting that 2016 anomaly). Apologies. And thanks for the updating. Maybe what I read was trying to tell me that the NYT hadn't used the word "gonfalon" in crossword, not as a puzzle word, nor a clue word. Or at least not prior to that article being written. Molenick, I wish I still had a remaining free use of that NYT article data base.

Guys, that's an admirable assemblage of cards. There's nothing like getting two of the trio in a set to get a fellow to focus on the missing third one.

Now, if only folks will listen to Dr. Ritter's The Glory of Their Times on CD's, and then they'll settle on the reality of that intelligent second baseman's name being EEE-vers, and not something else.

Thank You, Guys

[molenick]

I think I found the link to the article https://archive.nytimes.com/wordplay...sultPosition=3

I have subscription through work, but as I recall, you can access up to 10 articles a month for free (unless they have changed the policy).

At any rate, you kind of remembered correctly...it wasn't that the word gonfalon had not appeared in the puzzle at the time the poem was written...it's that the word is so obscure it has never appeared (at least up until 4/20/2009).

Below is part of the article:

I’m often asked, “Jim, how can I get my own name in a N.Y.T. crossword puzzle?” The answer is simple. First, do something remarkable. Second, be born with a name with a convenient combination of letters including lots of vowels. I should add one more option: have someone write a famously memorable poem about you. I’m sure Messrs. Tinker, Evers and Chance were a great COMBO but it’s the rhyme that makes them memorable a century later. That poem, called “Baseball’s Sad Lexicon,” is by the Algonquin Round Table regular Franklin Pierce Adams. First published in 1910, it’s still stuck in our collective unconsciousness despite one now-confusing metaphor.

What bubble is getting pricked, and ruthlessly at that? The word gonfalon has never appeared in a clue or as an answer in a Times crossword. It means a flag like you see hanging from crossbars in swashbuckling films, but in this case it’s a poetic reference to a baseball pennant.

[Rhotchkiss]

Some awesome F-ing cards on this thread. Too many to mention but particularly love the Rose Co’s

Here is rare back trio

[gabrinus]

Nice Ryan...Jerry

[RCMcKenzie]

Those are some good cards, Ryan. I like the Tinker.

Allan, I have some T213-2's that are in rough shape, also. That Tinker bat-on Fed is not any easy card at all. Nice card regardless of lower grade. Here's a 1916 Frank Chance with the LA Angels. He managed them to the league championship that year.

[sb1]

SL trio

[MK]

I had these framed along with the poem sometime in the 1970s.

[Rhotchkiss]

Awesome Scott. That is a grand trio

[obiwan1129]

Great thread...my cards aren't as nice as some of the ones here. Very common backs.

However, I'll contribute this book to the discussion. https://smile.amazon.com/Tinker-Ever.../dp/022679024X

Got to see the author present and sign my copy at a SABR meeting a few years back.

[sb1]

T204's....

Originally Posted by MK

I had these framed along with the poem sometime in the 1970s.

Very Nice and well done , I might do that with my Colgan Chips

[Baseball Rarities]

Ryan - the Red Cross Tinker, Broad Leaf 460 Evers and Pirate Chance are amazing. Love the rare stuff.

Scott- Your W600s and T204s are right up my alley. The W600 of Evers is such a tough card.

[t206fanatic]

Great thread, some unreal T206's. My contribution --

[molenick]

This is the closest card I have to a Tinker.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by sb1

T204's....

Beautiful matching Ramleys

[3finger1908]

great cards guys! here are some of mine...

tinker.jpg

evers.jpg

chance.jpg