1947 Brooklyn Dodgers Team Photo 12” x 19.5”

[rand1com]

Admittedly, I am not a photo expert but I obtained this 12” x 19.5” photo of the 1947 Brooklyn Dodgers. I think this might be classified as a Type I photo but looking for photo experts opinions on here. Condition is Poor as the pics show but still a rare Dodger photo dating to Jackie’s rookie season. I believe these were given to players, company officials, etc. in a very limited quantity. Any additional info appreciated. Will PSA authenticate oversized photos this size?

Thanks

[doug.goodman]

While I understand that there are people who would say it's in poor condition, I think it's in fantastic condition. Congrats on the pickup.

[Lucas00]

Most definitely type 1. Psa will give you a certificate letter. This is a rare photo. I see your listing, I honestly would think it should've sold pretty fast at that price.

2005 sale (though it was signed by the team)
https://lelands.com/bids/1947-brookl...obinson-rookie

[doug.goodman]

It's for sale?

[bigfanNY]

https://ebay.us/m/s0rG4X

Ebay listing ....

[Lucas00]

I will never understand how collectors will fork over hundreds of thousands for a high grade rookie, yet pieces like this don't instantly sell. It must just be lack of knowledge of rare items.

The post war oddball world is very strange. I think people are just scared of the unknown. If there aren't 100 comps available in the last month peoples brains just crumble. Kudos to pre war guys with figuring out rare is good. Obviously I'm being dramatic but post war oddball collectors really do have a very long way to go.

Can you imagine an item like this of Wagner or Cobb or ruth? It wouldn't be $1500, it would be $150,000.

[rand1com]

Thanks to all for the info.

I am a buyer/seller primarily but I buy things like this that I personally like if they don’t sell.

The photo is fragile and I was not certain PSA would certify this large photo so I was going to just sell it but now I will submit it for authentication and if it gets the Type I designation then determine whether to keep or sell it.

I doubt if many of these are still around despite the condition of this one.

I thought the notation on the reverse was interesting as well.

Again, thanks for your thoughts.

This forum is amazing!

[Snapolit1]

Memorabilia very different from cards. I guess the comps is it.
I have a telegram Jackie sent to someone in Montreal on the birth of his son …. Very cool ….. floated to an AH and was little interest. If I listed it here for $700 probably would sit.

Thinking of donating it to the Jackie Robinson museum in NYC.

QUOTE=Lucas00;2536814]I will never understand how collectors will fork over hundreds of thousands for a high grade rookie, yet pieces like this don't instantly sell. It must just be lack of knowledge of rare items.

The post war oddball world is very strange. I think people are just scared of the unknown. If there aren't 100 comps available in the last month peoples brains just crumble. Kudos to pre war guys with figuring out rare is good. Obviously I'm being dramatic but post war oddball collectors really do have a very long way to go.

Can you imagine an item like this of Wagner or Cobb or ruth? It wouldn't be $1500, it would be $150,000.[/QUOTE]

[balltrash]

I believe this may actually fall into the Type III category rather than Type I. The imprinted text and studio mark would have had to have been added to the original negative prior to printing for this to be Type I.

Type III still signified a great piece (meaning it dates to the period) but would not carry the same value as Type I.

[rand1com]

I believe the stamp may have been on the original negative since so few were distributed and I doubt there were any additional prints made but as previously stated I am not an expert.

At any rate, it is headed to PSA so we will see what Henry Yee has to say about it.

I will post the result here whenever it is returned. Not sure of turn times on photos but I did not pay the $150 additional for 10 day service so whenever is whenever.

[gonefishin]

Great photo and yes, PSA will authenticate and encapsulate. Here are a couple of type Is that I have recently submitted. Hope this helps.

Sorry, I have the Browns also but it is failing to upload.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by rand1com

I believe the stamp may have been on the original negative since so few were distributed and I doubt there were any additional prints made but as previously stated I am not an expert.

At any rate, it is headed to PSA so we will see what Henry Yee has to say about it.

I will post the result here whenever it is returned. Not sure of turn times on photos but I did not pay the $150 additional for 10 day service so whenever is whenever.

It saddens me that we send items to an opinion seller so they they can tell us we have cool old stuff, when we already know we have cool old stuff. I doubt a specific employee will look at a specific item, but I suppose there is a chance.

It's too big for a slab, so there is a bright side.

[rand1com]

No truer statement has been made but value is somewhat determined by rarity and although it is true that this item is extremely rare no matter the Type photo, the difference between Type I and Type III is significant and since I am primarily a seller, it is worth a hundred bucks to get Henry Yee's opinion. I am not concerned about anyone else looking at it as he is their photo authenticator and he signs the LOA. Marshall Fogel was at one time listed as well as an authenticator for photos but he is no longer listed although he may still be used on a consultant basis.

The chances of this photo having been developed from a duplicate negative is slim in my opinion but my opinion is worthless.

Hence, the need for a true expert's opinion that will be accepted by the buying public if I ever sell it.

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[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by balltrash

I believe this may actually fall into the Type III category rather than Type I. The imprinted text and studio mark would have had to have been added to the original negative prior to printing for this to be Type I.

Type III still signified a great piece (meaning it dates to the period) but would not carry the same value as Type I.

The text at the bottom is common to see on type 1 team photos. The seal, I've never seen before but I've also never really seen original photos this big. So it's hard to say, but I'm 90% sure it's a type 1. Close up photos of the players faces and overall clarity would help me decide the last 10%.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by rand1com

... it is worth a hundred bucks to get Henry Yee's opinion. I am not concerned about anyone else looking at it as he is their photo authenticator and he signs the LOA...

You have more faith than I do that he looks at every photo that goes thru their system

[rand1com]

Valid point that I am sure is correct.

However, the vast majority of photos submitted are encapsulated and require no signature on an LOA and on those he may only look at ones deemed extremely valuable.

I do believe that Henry will look at this one since it will require a signature but who knows?

I would hope that if he signs an actual LOA that he actually looked at and authenticated the item.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by rand1com

I would hope that if he signs an actual LOA that he actually looked at and authenticated the item.

That is a good point, and I would like to believe that he has more integrity than the company he is employed by.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

It saddens me that we send items to an opinion seller so they they can tell us we have cool old stuff, when we already know we have cool old stuff. I doubt a specific employee will look at a specific item, but I suppose there is a chance.

It's too big for a slab, so there is a bright side.

+1

Normally I'd write more, but few people want to hear it, and I'm getting burnt out by PSA Fatigue. Doug nailed it, anyway.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by perezfan

+1

Normally I'd write more, but few people want to hear it, and I'm getting burnt out by PSA Fatigue. Doug nailed it, anyway.

Many of you were aware that I am a beater of dead horses, for those of you who didn't know, well, now you do.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

It saddens me that we send items to an opinion seller so they they can tell us we have cool old stuff, when we already know we have cool old stuff. I doubt a specific employee will look at a specific item, but I suppose there is a chance.

It's too big for a slab, so there is a bright side.

It’s super cool but I agree with Doug. It would look way nicer in a frame than it would “encapsulated.”

[doug.goodman]

I want to buy it, but the outcome of the requested opinion will not change its value in my mind.

I might to others, I understand that.

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

It’s super cool but I agree with Doug. It would look way nicer in a frame than it would “encapsulated.”

Good thing as Doug said, it won't be encapsulated.

They don't have a 12" x 19.5" slab YET.

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

I want to buy it, but the outcome of the requested opinion will not change its value in my mind.

I might to others, I understand that.

Wish I had known you were interested. I just shipped it out to them today.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by rand1com

Wish I had known you were interested. I just shipped it out to them today.

Oh, well. When you get it back we can talk.

I sent you an email before I made my first post, but it might be stuck in your spam filter.

When I checked the ebay link that Jonathan posted it was down.