First-ever SGC 10 Wilt Chamberlain Rookie Graded

[Tabe]

Found "in the cabinet of a grocery store", SGC has graded their first perfect 10 Wilt rookie:

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...-earns-sgc-10/

Per the article, an SGC 9 sold for $159k two years ago. Any ideas on what this one will fetch?

[jbsports33]

I just ended up reading this, interesting - I wish the Mikan RC I found a few years back was a "10" cool story !

[bxb]

What did any of the 3 PSA 10s sell for?

[SyrNy1960]

Gorgeous Clean Card!

[Snapolit1]

I had I randomly submitted that there is exactly a .00000001% chance I would have gotten a 10.

[Lucas00]

I saw the submitters profile, looks like a regular guy. He posted this picture as well of before it was graded, which isn't something usually seen for these crazy finds.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I had I randomly submitted that there is exactly a .00000001% chance I would have gotten a 10.

What are you "seeing" or perceiving in the card that you feel disqualifies it for a 10? The image is small but what am I missing?

[samosa4u]

Over the past few years, many 61' Fleer basketball packs have been opened live on YouTube. The reason for this, I believe, is because guys who owned boxes were offered insane amounts of money for the packs during the boom (and they obviously couldn't say no to all that money!) Anyhow, the point I want to make is that if you watch these videos then you'll see how most of the cards that came out of these packs were either off-centered or miscut. So, when I read stories like this ... errr ... I just get bad vibes.

[Hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

I saw the submitters profile, looks like a regular guy. He posted this picture as well of before it was graded, which isn't something usually seen for these crazy finds.

If I pulled that no way could I get it into a card saver......would not have sufficient motor skills

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[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by bxb

What did any of the 3 PSA 10s sell for?

I'm not seeing any sales of the PSA 10s, but here's what the 9s have been going for:

2018: $33,000
2019: $40,000
2020: $75,000
2021: $375,000
2022: $348,000
2023: $198,000

So, extrapolating from PSA 9 and SGC 9 to SGC 10 and from 2 years ago to today, I'd guess the SGC 10 at auction today would fetch $225,0000 (and would have approached $500,000 a couple of years ago).

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

I'm not seeing any sales of the PSA 10s, but here's what the 9s have been going for:

2018: $33,000
2019: $40,000
2020: $75,000
2021: $375,000
2022: $348,000
2023: $198,000

So, extrapolating from PSA 9 and SGC 9 to SGC 10 and from 2 years ago to today, I'd guess the SGC 10 at auction today would fetch $225,0000 (and would have approached $500,000 a couple of years ago).

Lol. You're about $1 million short there

[Snowman]

I put the over under line at $1,250,000

I also think this one crosses to PSA 10. It is without question the nicest example in existence.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I also think this one crosses to PSA 10.

No need to even try. That card is perfect in its current slab.

[JustinD]

I actually agree with Travis on this one. If this doesn’t break a million, I would be shocked. Not a one of the PSA 10s are this nice. It is perfect.

It also has a rough cut which I always prefer because it is the best indicator of no funny business.

[tjisonline]

Originally Posted by bxb

What did any of the 3 PSA 10s sell for?

Hard to find that info. Mastronet sold 2 of the PSA 10s in the late 2000s so prob trimmed or whatever. Can’t even find pics of them. At least of 1 them is in a PSA 1961 Fleer Set Registry

[Carter08]

Holy cow. I’d guess that’s a 7 figure card for sure. Or it would be in a psa slab anyway. In an sgc slab, still close to a million at the least. Cool card no matter what it’s worth.

[JustinD]

Sgc’s announcement-

https://x.com/sgcgrading/status/1826986017460514912

I posted this last Saturday in the basketball section, but there’s only a few of us over there. Lol.

[Snowman]

It might be the single greatest basketball card in existence

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Snowman

It might be the single greatest basketball card in existence

I agree. Although by sales price it won't come close (which is pathetic when you consider the cards which would finish ahead of it).

[alywa]

What a beautiful card.

[BigfootIsReal]

No crease(s)..........No dice

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

What are you "seeing" or perceiving in the card that you feel disqualifies it for a 10? The image is small but what am I missing?

I’m only guessing but what Snapolit1 May be referring to is his own personal experience with Grading companies . I use to send raw cards into PSA and with my luck some grader would be confused by the rough cut or decide they need to boost resubmits or whatever .. and give it a 7 .
Probably does help the chances with PSA that it’s already graded SGC 10

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

I’m only guessing but what Snapolit1 May be referring to is his own personal experience with Grading companies . I use to send raw cards into PSA and with my luck some grader would be confused by the rough cut or decide they need to boost resubmits or whatever .. and give it a 7 .
Probably does help the chances with PSA that it’s already graded SGC 10

Anyone who has submitted can speak to the frustrations of grading but was not sure if snapolit1 actually saw a flaw on the card or if he was doing his usual whining. The card appeared, in the images, to be perfect

[G1911]

SGC has been handing out obviously bullshit fantasy grades to big cards for attention and to pump up the prices (9.5 Mantle, that BN Ruth, the Wagner), but this one actually looks the part for once.

[3-2-count]

Originally Posted by G1911

SGC has been handing out obviously bullshit fantasy grades to big cards for attention and to pump up the prices

In my opinion the same can be said about PSA. They're both quilty at this!

[raulus]

Originally Posted by 3-2-count

In my opinion the same can be said about PSA. They're both quilty at this!

Love it when TPGs get quilty!

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by raulus

Love it when TPGs get quilty!

Sewing together a blanket of lies????

[ClementeFanOh]

What a card! Just beautiful, and I concur with 1 million plus on the value.

Trent King

[Vintagedeputy]

I think a couple of guys are going to go nuts over this and we’re going to see somewhere between 1.4 and 1.6 million

[ullmandds]

Yeah, this card is incredible. Definitely worthy of a 10! It'll sell for a few million I would imagine

[Lucas00]

I'd guess a million on the dot.

[JollyElm]

If it goes to auction we have to have a contest to guess the hammer price. There would have to be a minimum of $50 or $100K between people's guesses to avoid encroachment.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Guess is the operative word. There's just no basis to value this card, it could go anywhere in a very large range depending on which elite buyers really want it.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Guess is the operative word. There's just no basis to value this card, it could go anywhere in a very large range depending on which elite buyers really want it.

Come on and play. There are still lots of numbers not taken. I will give my guess after you so you have more choices.

If someone can put a value on a Stahl Meyer Mantle 9 surely with the data available on Chamberlain rookies, a price point could be reasonably established, no?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Come on and play. There are still lots of numbers not taken. I will give my guess after you so you have more choices.

If someone can put a value on a Stahl Meyer Mantle 9 surely with the data available on Chamberlain rookies, a price point could be reasonably established, no?

I feel like a contestant on The Price is Right. Is it safe to assume PSA declined to put it in a 10 holder? If I had an SGC 10 of this card I would sure try.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I feel like a contestant on The Price is Right.

I am shouting from the crowd to you...take 1,000,001.00

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I put the over under line at $1,250,000

I also think this one crosses to PSA 10. It is without question the nicest example in existence.

Yeah, I'm right there with you. I think this lands in the $1.2m range.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I feel like a contestant on The Price is Right. Is it safe to assume PSA declined to put it in a 10 holder? If I had an SGC 10 of this card I would sure try.

My guess is cost.

As it sits the owner is a complete non collector who walked into a tiny card shop in Crosby, Minnesota which is a town of 2300 people. There is no auction house involved and just a bunch reaching out after the sgc video and the shop’s instagram photos started making the rounds. The SGC cost would have been much less and to a guy with zero knowledge you take the savings. For a regular Joe, I am sure he was blown away at likely taking a loan to grade this with no auction house fronting it.

Perhaps the auction house that wins the battle may try. I see no way PSA wouldn’t want their name on this card for the PR, it gets a 10 or they suck worse than I think, lol. At least with the cut, this is one they grade that isn’t trimmed up.

[Lucas00]

It looks so damn good in that sgc case. Nothing beats proper contrast. Makes nice cards look even nicer and makes you forget the hunk of plastic is around it.
Literally makes the card look like a museum exhibit. Personally can't say the same with PSA, which to me are just inferior cgc cases in terms of eye appeal at this point. What a registry would do..

[ClementeFanOh]

Lucas- Agreed. Since the topic was informative about the new grade and a
question about it's potential value, "what if" remarks about hypothetical PSA
grades miss the point. The card looks great in the slab it's actually inhabiting,
and conjecture about the ways PSA would screw up the grade aren't relevant.
Be interesting to monitor this one and see how it turns out! Trent King

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

It looks so damn good in that sgc case. Nothing beats proper contrast. Makes nice cards look even nicer and makes you forget the hunk of plastic is around it.
Literally makes the card look like a museum exhibit. Personally can't say the same with PSA, which to me are just inferior cgc cases in terms of eye appeal at this point. What a registry would do..

IMO nobody is paying $1 million or more based on how it looks in a particular slab. They are paying because they think it's a good value proposition. PSA 10s are just worth more than SGC 10s, much more usually, regardless of some romantic collector notions.

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

IMO nobody is paying $1 million or more based on how it looks in a particular slab. They are paying because they think it's a good value proposition. PSA 10s are just worth more than SGC 10s, much more usually, regardless of some romantic collector notions.

Maybe true, but It just depends on the type of collector. If someone has a million to spend and is a true collector who wants a 10 I don't see why they would care about the value discrepancy. It's funny to me how most people will admit sgc does look better for vintage cards, but also agree psa does/should hold more value. Just weird.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

IMO nobody is paying $1 million or more based on how it looks in a particular slab. They are paying because they think it's a good value proposition. PSA 10s are just worth more than SGC 10s, much more usually, regardless of some romantic collector notions.

Agree. And while this card looks fabulous, I don't think it comes close to 1 million.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

Maybe true, but It just depends on the type of collector. If someone has a million to spend and is a true collector who wants a 10 I don't see why they would care about the value discrepancy. It's funny to me how most people will admit sgc does look better for vintage cards, but also agree psa does/should hold more value. Just weird.

At auction, it takes more than one person, and his personal sentiments, to drive the final price.

[ahmanfan]

I think this could get you 2 mill.


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[Bigdaddy]

Wait, aren't PSA and SGC brothers now? At least half-brothers. There's a non-zero possibility that the decision as to which company should grade the card was made higher up the ladder (Collectors Universe) than at PSA or SGC.

Either way, it is a wonderful, unique card. Congratulations to the current owner and future owner.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Wait, aren't PSA and SGC brothers now? At least half-brothers. There's a non-zero possibility that the decision as to which company should grade the card was made higher up the ladder (Collectors Universe) than at PSA or SGC.

Either way, it is a wonderful, unique card. Congratulations to the current owner and future owner.

I don't follow this. If you submit to SGC, it gets graded by SGC, there is no decision as to who should grade it.

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't follow this. If you submit to SGC, it gets graded by SGC, there is no decision as to who should grade it.

Sure, that is true for your and my cards. But this card is unique in the hobby.
I'm just not ruling it out.

[G1911]

The possibility this was submitted to/for PSA and the parent company sent it to SGC instead is exactly zero. That is not how it works and there is no evidence whatsoever that it is and nobody will produce anything but a hot take.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Sure, that is true for your and my cards. But this card is unique in the hobby.
I'm just not ruling it out.

As you wish but it didn't happen.