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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: Mike Pugeda
I just won via BIN ebay item #150086049567 (Babe Ruth Fro-Joy)---sorry I don't know how to post the link. |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
Mike, |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: Cat
I am one of those on the board that has faith in Beckett. I also think the price was REAL good. The seller's only negative was 16 months ago. It all looks good, but then again I'm not going to refund your money if you get hosed. |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: Steve f
That's definately real. Beckett was the only grader for fro-joy a year or so ago. |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: Mike Pugeda
Cat, |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: cmoking
"That's definately real. Beckett was the only grader for fro-joy a year or so ago." |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: fkw
If its real its a good deal, but....... |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: Mike Pugeda
What are the distinguishing features between real and fake? |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: RC McKenzie
Looks like a good card to me, and I like the Beckett holders better than the PSA ones, but I would be somewhat worried if I bought a card that was real, but couldn't convince even the most esteemed experts that it was legit. |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: davidcycleback
Obviously the Fro Joys are one of the trickiest sets, but, in general, Beckett |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: fkw
There are 4 types of reprints, with 3 of them easy to spot. |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: fkw
Ha ha Dave you beat me to it |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: Steve f
cmoking and Frank, I fully understand your apprehension towards these, I was even moreso a while back. But, no need to be a skeptic on this one... Referring to my prior post, The SGC grader rxplained via telephone, he COULD tell the difference, it was a policy issue. Two fro-joys I sub'd were authentic per this senior grader. It was a new corporate policy to exclude fro-joy. (Not all graders posess the same skill?) Another board member who had PSA slabbed fro-joys also convinced me they were auth. So I held onto them... The short of it, BVG slabbed them. |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: fkw
Makes no sense why SGC would not grade something they can tell is authentic.....thats the reason they (grading companies) exist in the first place. The policy of not grading Fro-Joys is because of problems. |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: RC McKenzie
...Want to clarify that I know next to nothing about fro-joys other than info from scd book and David's website. |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: Paul
I have sent three authentic Fro Joys to Beckett, & they got it right each time. As discussed earlier, a Fro Joy must be photo engraved to have a chance to be real. If you don't have a microscope, inspect Ruth's bat with a 10x loupe, & it should be covered with printing dots with no white patches. Below is fake with white patches on the bat. |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Always be a bit worried. Emotions are healthy, as long as they don't rule your decisionmaking. |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: davidcycleback
The main problem for the average collector is the real Fro Joys are scarce and few collectors |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: jay wolt
Mike - Looks like you got a great deal. |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: cmoking
In light of what Steve said about SGC being able to tell fakes from real ones, I echo FKW's thoughts too: why won't they grade or authentica them if they can tell the difference? The same question goes for PSA too. |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: Paul
I suspect that when the "big three" grading companies did grade them, well over 90% submitted were fake, so it got to be a big hastle. I think the policy usually is to give a grading credit if the card can't be slabbed, or am I wrong about that policy? Also, another consideration is that grading companies usually don't use more than 10x magnification during authentication, & that's not enough to be sure when authenticating Fro Joys in my opinion. I have eleven graded Fro Joys by PSA, SGC, & BVG. They all look good to me, so when they did slab them, they obviously had a pretty good idea of what they were doing. |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: Mike Pugeda
Thanks for all the replies. I feel somewhat more comfortable about |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: honus3415
Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken, but I seem to recall having seen an "authentic" complete Fro-joy Ruth sheet listed in one of the major sports auctions somewhere within the last 5 years. |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: Paul
The Fro Joy sheets & cards were distributed differently. I believe the cards were factory cut, but not from the Fro Joy sheet with the dotted cut lines. The cards were give aways with Fro Joy ice cream, & the complete set of six could be redeemed for the sheet & a premium Ruth photo. I have seen several Ruth sheets & premium photos recently, but I have never seen an authentic sheet hand cut into cards. A good rule to follow, is that if you see a Fro Joy card with dotted cut lines, it's a fake cut from one of the many reprinted sheets. |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: warshawlaw
I have a group of these from a Mastro auction. They appear to me to be handcut and do not have any dashed lines. The printing looks clear and good per the analyses on this thread. |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: davidcycleback
I believe the upcoming Mastro auction will have a uncut sheet, the premium photo and envelope. |
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Should I be worried? BVG graded Fro-Joy
Posted By: Paul
Here's the line breaks on a fake that David posted about. There are reprints made by Repli-Cards that have no line breaks, but the card stock does not look & feel vintage. |
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