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rebacked hindu Matty
Posted By: Rob
In the piedmont wagner post Scott mentioned a rebacked Matty that was graded PSA 7 then regraded by SGC as a 50. |
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rebacked hindu Matty
Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
Your comment...... |
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rebacked hindu Matty
Posted By: dstudeba
Hi Rob, I think you have a legitimate concern. I disagree with Ted and believe that the technology and art to rebacking cards is getting good enough to fool many of the veteran raw collectors. It is not a concern for me since I don't collect rare backs, but if you are interested in rare backs I would be concerned. |
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rebacked hindu Matty
Posted By: scott brockelman
is to be able to handle the card. If you are able to feel it and examine the edges I don't think many rebacks would fool most veteran collectors. They might fool a novice, the thing to look for is the feel, most rebacks are too think and very rigid. Simply compare the flex and feel to another t206 common, then inspect the edges with a loupe(sometimes not required) and you will usually see where the edges have been roughened up to hide the seam. It is normally quite abnormal wear when compared to any low grade t206 |
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rebacked hindu Matty
Posted By: JimB
Ted, |
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rebacked hindu Matty
Posted By: John
"Most of the veteran T206 collectors that still buy ungraded cards....like me....would never be fooled by a |
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Posted By: John
"And, don't forget the PSA graded "fake" T206 Joe Doyle error card that showed up at a show several years |
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Posted By: PC
Jim and John -- you have made my day. |
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Posted By: John
PC, |
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rebacked hindu Matty
Posted By: Scott Elkins
Also, on the other forum, I posted scans of a rebacked T206 Drum Red Portrait Cobb PSA 2 that was in a Mastro auction a few years back. This one made it through PSA and deep into the auction process with Mastro, until some people caught it and Mastro pulled the card. On the Drum Cobb, it is a combo that could exist, but was a sloppy job - you could even see some glue stains on the card. |
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rebacked hindu Matty
Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
OK, I think you by your last sentence..... |
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Posted By: JimB
"Most of the veteran T206 collectors that still buy ungraded cards....like me....would never be fooled by a |
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Posted By: JimB
Scott's post has an entirely different tone from yours and is not offensive or condescending at all. |
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Posted By: John
c'est la vie |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
I think the grading companies are GREAT for the Hobby! I would much rather trust a third party's assumption of the card and the grade than the seller's! If you don't believe that, just buy a VG/EX card from Larry Fristch and wait until you open the package and find what we would call a POOR card come out of the box! Grading companies do make mistakes. Grading companies are sometimes influenced by the submitter. Nothing on Earth is perfect. I do like the grading companies and ALL of my cards are either graded or will be sent out to get graded by SGC in a week or two. |
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Posted By: Rob
Everyone, I ask this in the nicest way possible, please don't argue raw vs graded. |
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rebacked hindu Matty
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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rebacked hindu Matty
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
There os nothing boring about this topic....far from it. As, recently a member on this board paid |
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rebacked hindu Matty
Posted By: scott brockelman
The rough and abnormal edges are apparent even in the slabs. |
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rebacked hindu Matty
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: Rob
awesome pics and info w/the Cobbs, very much appreciated! The glue and abnormally rough edges ALL AROUND are apparant now that you've pointed them out. At first glance I knew the edges were rough, but not to the extent that on every side they were chipped and wavy. Something to look at now! |
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rebacked hindu Matty
Posted By: Kevin Saucier
<"If you are able to feel it and examine the edges I don't think many rebacks would fool most veteran collectors."> |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
when I saw them on eBay - I followed their auctions for a few weeks and they were selling legitimate cards and have a high feedback. So, I thought I must have been mistaken and now have even forgotten the eBay I.D. - I wanted to think one of the person's initials was GM - am I right or wrong - this, I really don't remember that well (one of those things I simply forgot when I quit collecting, as it didn't interest me to remember the names of these shady persons at the time)? |
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Posted By: leon
As I said in another thread you can use the photobucket s/w and post any size scan you want. The Net54 temp files only hold up to 128k scans. I will always help anyone load scans including you...take care |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
However, Brian Weisner already e-mailed me and I sent the scans of the Cobb to him. He should be posting them later for me. Thanks again for your offer! |
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Posted By: leon
I remember that Cobby/Drum being on ebay. I called the then president of Beckett and offered to buy the card if he would guarantee it was real. He wouldn't do it. His stance was that they slabbed it so it had to be good. I know the regime has changed over there but I never did care for that one.....It was about $2700 as a buy it now...or minimum bid, I forget which one. I believe Wayne Grove worked there at the time too and wasn't real happy about the whole situation. regards |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
he has been telling everyone he owns for years now. Then we could have an image of a real Drum Cobb to compare these rebacked Drum Cobbs with after Brian posts the PSA 2 I sent him scans of that was in a Mastro catalog! |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
The original image was larger and included some of the page from the Mastro catalog. At least you can see the card here in this image and tell that it has the same rough edges and you can also see the evidence of glue - even in the slabbed scan in the catalog. |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
gotta go pickup Kaitlyn from her grandparents. Just thought I would get in a few posts here and on the other board before things get a little wild! I managed to cut the image down to the above size and was able to post it, so no big deal. I do hope you post your take on Piedmont and SC Wagners later for us to read! |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: Dan Kravitz
Brian- Do you remember what the card sold for? |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Two observations: |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
Hi Newman... I mean Lichtman, |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
I probably had that Festberg catalog and threw it out years ago to make some room. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
The frayed edges on the rebacked cards - are they readily apparent or is that a phenomenon that occurs over time, well after slabbing? |
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rebacked hindu Matty
Posted By: Scott Elkins
in NY who can get you a Drum Wagner at the right price! |
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rebacked hindu Matty
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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rebacked hindu Matty
Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
What does a "wrinkle" have to do with it ? |
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