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Posted By: Seth B.
This is going to be an inflammatory topic, so I want to preface it by saying that I don't mean any of this as a personal attack. I hardly know you people. This is more of a general lament about some things I've noticed, and I want to see if everyone on the board has no problem with this (in which case I'll be quiet and good, and no peeps out of me), or if this is something others have noticed. So, here goes, |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
I think your view is way off base. Understandable but way off base. |
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Posted By: joe
I see nothing wrong with this, if something interests me and I am ok with the price or trade requirements. No problem. |
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Posted By: Anonymous
Looks like I may just shut up about this one. |
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Posted By: Joann
In general I think it's okay. I wouldn't want it to turn into one giant commercial either, and like the human idea of collectors helping collectors - this is a tight little community and that thought is consistent with how I see the board. Having the BST turn into a giant billboard would kind of remind me of Snoopy's doghouse all decked in lights in the Charlie Brown Xmas show. |
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Posted By: cmoking
Seth, I don't like at times either. However, it is the good old american way, and sometimes I do like it. |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Some dealers are valued contributors to the Board's discussion, and many dealers also provide the service of bringing to your attention some items which you may have missed. |
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Posted By: JIm Manos
Thanks for not using my name but I buy and sell cards all the time. Some i buy cheap and make good $ others I don't. I can't believe the **** I get for this. I am out to make a buck. But I find cards people want?? If I buy a card from you at $500 dollars and I think I can bring $800. It is helping another collector out and I make a few bucks. Sorry, if that make's bad behavior?? I have folks e-mailing me all the time there want lists to find them cards and then I get people up my ass because they sold me a card at well under the retail value. Great example harryWright(ebayer) bought the complete set of Warren studio's in a cabinet that was hard to tell what they were. On top of that there was a Spalding in the group which is the 12th card and uncataloged. He out bid me... I bet you see it forsale again for alot more than 13k. God Bless him...I wish I bid more... Don't buy from the individual if it bothers somebody so much. But don't belittle them for it... If I found a card you were looking for for 5 yrs and you had to pay me going rate or a premium would ya?? Most would...some won't, some complain. There is Chief's and Indians in this world. Each individual can choose what they want.. But don't condem them for it. |
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Posted By: peter ullman
Some dealers are valued board members and some are not. I have been a collector for most of my life...first and foremost... a collector..I have bought cards with the intent to flip them for a profit to further my collection/habit...as most of you have. I think this is fine. |
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Posted By: G.H. Counter
Jim, please don't take it personal, but sometimes you look like someone who think board users are simply stupid. |
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Posted By: JIm Manos
Let me tell you I don't continue to do this because I loose $. Don't buy it. If someone else buys something and sell's in 3 months or 1yr or 3 hour's that is there issue. If you don't want it, don't buy it. I don't have a problem of material not selling. As for the Warren studio's it is unknown to my knowledge. You must know there is more of them, but I bet the buyer will sell it for a profit. Maybe he will wait longer. Don't care... Early bird get's the worm. I already made $ on the O'Rourke piece, but thx's for your observation. Please tell me the auction the O'rourke Imperial cabinet cam from?? I bought from Rex Stark and he said he found in a estate. I am calling your bluff. Which auction did that sell at. Or are you calling Rex a liar?? |
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Posted By: Anson
It may also provide collectors a way to make up some ground towards getting the cards they REALLY want. Collectors can make savvy deals on Ebay, sell to a board member, and afford something that they wouldn't have been able to in the first place. Does that make them a dealer or a collector? I haven't done this using Ebay and the BST. But, I have bought cards, knowing I could sell them for more. In most cases, it was to afford something else that I wanted. |
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Posted By: Frank Evanov
I really have no problem with someone selling stuff on the board and making a profit. If the price seems unreasonable, the item will likely not move and will be discounted anyway. As long as the seller is honest and delivers his product in a responsible manner, I think B/S/T is great. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
I don't have a problem with people flipping stuff they get on eBay. The real issue is people that take advantage of the good will of a fellow board member to get a good deal on a card, then flip it immediately. As Pete said, kharma will come back to get you and word will get around the board about what you are doing. |
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Posted By: Frank Evanov
...The real issue is people that take advantage of the good will of a fellow board member to get a good deal on a card, then flip it immediately.... |
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Posted By: JIm Manos
I mean that, Great guy Frank is..You know I felt bad about our one deal. Hopefully we can do another and we get better PO support. |
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Posted By: G.H. Counter
http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/site/bidplace.aspx?itemid=2215 |
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Posted By: JIm Manos
Your discounted right off the bat. Have some balls. The stuff sell's go back and run your numbers of items that don't sell?? Serious let us know. Your fellow board memebers that show ther face and name are buying the stuff, whats wrong with that?? Let us know of the stuff listed what % was not sold. Thx's Jim |
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Posted By: JIm Manos
I stand corrected and Rex lied to me. I already made about 3k on the piece. But it tells me alot about Rex's word. Thank You, Jim |
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Posted By: leon
No anonymity in this thread.....it will be summarily deleted. I am intentionally not giving an opinion (1st time ever)...at least until later ...Thanks for understanding |
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Posted By: peter ullman
Jim...maybe if you weren't such an obnoxious, loud prick...people'd like you more. |
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Posted By: JIm Manos
Not lacking friends.. Again here to sell cards. Don't want them don't buy them.. Seems like your not getting the point?? |
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Posted By: Chris Bland
I agree that it can sometimes be irritating to see certain sellers flip items they have recently won on ebay, etc. but on the other hand I also can see Jim's point - people are buying the cards, so why should he stop selling? He isn't doing anything wrong. |
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Posted By: JIm Manos
THANK YOU CHRIS... |
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Posted By: ScottIngold
For what it's worth...... |
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Posted By: JIm Manos
Thank you. |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
Jim flips stuff....he could probably flip more if he didn't sell it at 5x and would occasionally put a picture in a thread. But that's why it's B/S/T and not just B/T or T or B or something. The S means sell..... |
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Posted By: andy becker
i have no problem anyone flipping cards and using the bst to do so. |
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Posted By: ScottIngold
Very good point Andy. Most are great. But a few times it has been a very drawn out affair. |
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Posted By: joe
Jim sells cards to make money, nothing wrong with that is there? He sounds like he could sell a freezer to the Eskimos, but thats his style. Don't buy if you dont want or need the card. It sounds like some board members have some personal issues or bad deals with Jim, so that should be their and Jim's business. If I buy from Jim, I hope it turns out ok and it probably will. |
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Posted By: Chad
When I've sold on BST, I probably put too high a value on my cards--I'm a sentimentalist, I guess--but I almost always will accept a reasonable offer from a buyer. It doesn't hurt to ask. |
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Posted By: Greg Ecklund
All things being equal I would much rather that things I sell on the B/S/T go towards helping someone complete a set or find a card that they have been searching for - several times this has happened and it's a good feeling to get someone one step closer to a goal. |
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Posted By: Jim Clarke
b/s/t thread is fine. I love the material that comes though there. Most of the times (99%) I'm too late getting in on items I want. If anyone wants to flip me the Newsboy Cabinet Scott just sold or the 19th Century Baseball currency, I would love to buy them. Keep it the same. No commission and no listing fees.. The last of the frontier!!!! I hope Leon will flip the deal he just bought from Jim!!! |
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Posted By: JIm Manos
I have never had a bad deal that I recall. Other than a deal with Frank 8 mths ago with the PO ie ... lost in the mail(I didn't insure refunded his $ and gave hime some cards of that issue and lost my ass). I deliver the goods every time. |
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Posted By: jeff lichtman
I think I agree with the original poster on this thread somewhat; I'd like to think that the sharks go to ebay or the auction houses to sell and the hobby enthusiasts who sell to each other here should be a little more sensitive and not be so quick to rip someone off. After all, this is a community of like-minded individuals who share a very esoteric passion. We should respect each other and not be so quick to grab every dollar we can. I can tell you from personal experience that I have sold cards to board members on this and other forums for prices under retail value because the buyer needed the card(s) for his collection and I wanted to help out. The world is round and everyone should go a little easier. I'm not against anyone making a profit here but if we can't be treated with kid gloves here by sellers than this is not the sanctuary it should be. I've had some hilariously ridiculous unsolicited offers from board members that, should I have accepted, I would have been badly ripped off. I've also paid board members prices for cards that I felt were full retail value but were happy to have the chance to own the cards and, while I could have talked the prices down 10% or so, I felt that the sellers were fair in their prices and should be rewarded for not trying to rip me off. As I said, life is circular and you all get what you deserve in the end. So why not behave a little more charitably to the few people on the planet who don't think you're nuts for spending all this time and money on old, smelly cardboard? |
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Posted By: John J. Grillo
There's another side of the coin to this...sometimes in this hobby there may come a time where you have to pay either a little or a lot more to get what you want or need. |
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Posted By: Greg Ecklund
Jeff, |
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Posted By: JIm Manos
If Leon sell's and makes a buck it has only been a few day's?? God forbid him making a buck. Thank you for the support. At least on this thread you figure out who not to sell to. I am... |
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Posted By: jeff lichtman
Greg - you're exactly right. The reason we're out here all together on this forum is to help each other enjoy our hobby more than we could if we were left to fend for ourselves. |
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Posted By: JIm Manos
I am making better than mental notes. I have sold enough on this board to know who is who. many people waste my time etc... I don't complain that is part of business. It's the people that belittle me for selling cards of rarity because I bought for $50 bucks and sell for $75. Honestly, I don't want to business with them anyways. I sell a ton of stuff to people that send me there want lists and ask if I can help them. Super example, Andy Cook wanted a Risberg Zeenut. I got one a few weeks ago in a group and e-mailed and he purchased. I made a few bucks yes. But, he e-mailed the list he needed and I gave him first shot. I do it all the time. ten times of what hits the board. It is a serve most people would enjoy. I do sometimes buy from a board member and sell to another just because I know they need it. yes make a few bucks. Some people can't deal with that that is why I get alot of ****. Lastly, If other people read this let's chill out on the **** e-mails to my home, I have 3 boys and a wife that use this computer. If there is something you want to say post it don't send to my personal e-mail. Thx's Jim |
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Posted By: eric p.
i personally don't care what a seller paid for a card or how long he has had it in his possession, if it's a card that i want and i am willing to pay a certain dollar amount for that card, then i will buy it, i don't care if the seller made a 500% return on his money or not, the only thing i care about is having my card well packaged and shipped in a reasonable amount of time, the b/s/t is just another great avenue to buy cards. |
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Posted By: David Vargha
As I told the IRS, I have always lost money on every card transaction that I have ever made. This is true even when I sell cards at obscenely high prices. (Maybe it's my outrageous overhead.) |
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Posted By: edacra
BST is one of the rare places people still sometimes offer to TRADE! cards, and it really seems like most of the expert dealers who visit this forum contribute to the discussions and sell the bulk of their inventory elsewhere. The only thing I noticed is how people are offering items to BST first at a premium price as their preference, then when it doesn't sell they send it to Ebay and drop it down so we have to fight with all the hooligans! |
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Posted By: Anonymous
1. I have no problem with flipping on the b/s/t. If an item is listed for too outrageous an amount it will not sell. If an item is sold and the buyer is happy with the price I do not see any harm. |
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Posted By: John
It’s called capitalism, and is the basis of our economy. Without it all of our cards are worth nothing. |
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Posted By: Bob
I don't begrudge the flippers, I am like most on here who aren't Fortune 500 people, we flip to make a little money to plow back in to cards and the hobby. I also don't begrudge someone trying to make some money even when they proudly proclaim they are not a collector in any sense of the word, because it offers cards to those of us who are collectors. What I do have a problem with is someone who tries to corner the market on a certain set of cards, thereby destroying all the outlets available to collectors, and then turns around and offers them at 3 and 4 times the original price and uses the BST to do it. That, I have a problem with. I guess that just rankles my hobbyist soul... |
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Posted By: Seth B.
Well, not really. To respond to a number of points, and to ignore even more... |
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Posted By: Cat
Here's my complaint about B/S/T: Many people post in B/S/T that they want a specific hard to find card, but never offer anything in trade. Most of us have something in our collection, as trade bait, to get that hard to find card. Personally, I don't sell many cards (never any high end ones)...but you may be able to pry that hard to find card out of my collection if you offer another card which I may need/want. |
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Posted By: Cobby33
1) Jim has always been up-front with me. I know he's more of a businessman than a collector and that's fine with me. If I don't like his prices, I won't pay them. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Haggling over price is fine, but some people need to get realistic about the offers they are making. I was once offered $50 for a card that eventually sold for $750. This same person, made several other similarily silly offers and finally had to tell him to quit wasting my time. This was someone that supposedly knows his cards. |
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