Opinions on CJ WAJO

[ullmandds]

I was at an antique/flea market at the state fairgrounds today and was relatively excited to pick up a handful of arm and hammer bird cards just like the ones my mom gave to me that she collected as a child in the 40's for a buck each.

Then I saw this! It was in a unlocked display box with a bunch of lew alcindor cards and to the left was a bunch of old boxing photos local to mn. My heart started beating faster. The guy said it came out of a scrapbook...and he showed me some of the other items from the same scrapbook...a large ad for a college baseball game...but it was period 1915 or so...and a bunch of old basketball game photos as well. His asking price was very reasonable for what it is. I made an offer...he countered. I could tell it was real but was concerned it may be trimmed.

But it came from a scrapbook...so not likely trimmed I thought.

sure it has a little back damage...but the front is suh-weet!!!!

What do you guys think?

[nsaddict]

You were the right person at the right time to the fairgrounds, congrats

[Stonepony]

Sweeeeeet!!! Let us know how that back soaks off!

[Duluth Eskimo]

U lucky dog. I skipped the show due to kid obligations. Early bird gets the worm I guess. Anything else of note there? Jason

[ullmandds]

Frank...oh Frank!

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

Sweeeeeet!!! Let us know how that back soaks off!

she behaved real nice!

[Mikehealer]

Very nice Pete.

[yanksfan09]

awesome find!

[kdixon]

Very nice.

[Iron Horse]

beautiful card and a great find

[ullmandds]

Before and after.

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Before and after.

Yeah, really good! Wow, nice find

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

Yeah, really good! Wow, nice find

thanks for pointing that out...honestly I had not noticed the paper was extra and not torn away...I just grabbed it as fast as i could and ran.

[Luke]

Wow, congrats Pete!

[the 'stache]

Congratulations, Pete! Beautiful card.

[swarmee]

First thing I expected was that the scrapbook fragment was covering "REPRINT". Who else? ;-)

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Before and after.

Good job, Pete. I would never trust myself to perform such a delicate process.

[atx840]

Congrats Pete, beautiful card.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

love to see raw CJ's out in the wild.... Give us play by play on how you soaked.

[WillowGrove]

Way to go Pete!

[ullmandds]

Thanks guys I appreciate the kind words. Today was a mighty fine day here in St. Paul... Sunny and in the 80s... perfect droptop weather!! And this strike of luck... This stuff never happens to me!!!

I soaked the card in somewhat hot water in a rectangular glass Tupperware. The small piece of paper came off in seconds. When the water cooled I refilled with hot water and after about an hour it looked to me like the bigger piece of paper was starting to release. I filled a little syringe with water and gently blew the water over the paper and it just flew off.

I removed the card and Pressed in between some coffee filters to remove water. I then placed in between some more coffee filters in a screw down for one hour. After one hour I changed the coffee filters and re-placed in screw down.

After 24 hours I will take it out and see if it is dry . If not I will place in new coffee filters and return to screw down Until dry.

[ullmandds]

Frank taught me this.

[chaddurbin]

Pete---i hope you can sleep well tonight swindling an old lady on social security out of a beautiful wajo. Better a good looking dentist than your typical sweaty smelly card dealer i guess...

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Once complete, let us know if the process helped lighten the paper discoloration too. I'm interested in experimenting with some of my really bad caramel stained examples

[kevinlenane]

He did say if was a "guy" so I could only be a "little old man" and I'm sure he got a decent price for it it's crazy how much stain caramel color came out as well. Fwiw i destroyed a Ted Williams Wheaties card like this - that's what you get for soaking a card cut from a 70 year old cereal box.

[ullmandds]

I am sure he made many more multiples off his purchase price then I will if and when I ever sell it!!

[4815162342]

Dang, Pete, awesome find! When I look for cards out in the wild, all I ever find is '88 Donruss.

[kevinlenane]

I get 87 Fleeer. Factory Set! Gem mint ten!

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

U lucky dog. I skipped the show due to kid obligations. Early bird gets the worm I guess. Anything else of note there? Jason

not much...those lew alcindor cards ...there was a nice early real photo pc of a female baseball player...some 1910ish boxing cards.

[ullmandds]

1st scan is before bath. And thats a hair on the after back scan at the top! I'd add it was a short bath...an hour or so.

[Stonepony]

I can see you're feeling damn good about this whole thing,LOL

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

I can see you're feeling damn good about this whole thing,LOL

HAHAHA!!!! IS it that obvious!!!!!! My coworkers weren't terribly impressed!!!!

[DeanH3]

Nice grab. Glad to see there's nice discoveries still out there. Congrats!

[ullmandds]

thanks Dean...sweet collection btw...nothing but the blue chips!!!!! I love it!!!!

[brianp-beme]

Pete...congratulations! Definitely an incredible, outside the regular card carousel score.

A suggestion: If by chance you saved the paper that floated off, perhaps you can auction it off here on Net54. It would probably be the closest chance some of us would ever get to owning a Walter Johnson Cracker Jack card.

Brian

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

HAHAHA!!!! IS it that obvious!!!!!! My coworkers weren't terribly impressed!!!!

Because they didn't understand the "score". Congrats...the bath did it good.

[CMIZ5290]

Good job Pete. You have made several posts in the past pertaining altered T206s. I'm just curious, How does this card differ from those accusations? You actually wash away paper waste? How in the World is submitting cards in a wash not considered altered?? Is this not deceitful? Submerging cards in water and not telling....

[ullmandds]

HeyKevin...YOMAMA!!!!!!

[CMIZ5290]

God it's a shame you can't grow any hair. Your brain is fried! If someone tried this on you, you would go nuts and you know it..

[ullmandds]

"Tried this on you" kevin...meaning what if a card in my collection was at some point soaked in a bath to remove residue or stain. OMG...life would end! All the high grade bullshit you collect...and you don't think any of that crap has been altered? Much more than a soaking i'd imagine at times?

And I broadcast the whole process on here...so yes...I guess I'm really trying to pull a fast one here.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

"Tried this on you" kevin...meaning what if a card in my collection was at some point soaked in a bath to remove residue or stain. OMG...life would end! All the high grade bullshit you collect...and you don't think any of that crap has been altered? Much more than a soaking i'd imagine at times?

And I broadcast the whole process on here...so yes...I guess I'm really trying to pull a fast one here.

You really are an idiot, didn't really know it until now....

[Stonepony]

This was such a happy thread...

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

This was such a happy thread...

You're right Dave. What I don't understand is someone submerging a 100 yr old card in water and not calling that alteration. Regardless of the circumstances, it's altered, right?....This is especially by someone that constantly complains about altered cards from some of the really big AH's and grading companies, what's the difference???....I don't get it....

[ullmandds]

Good job Pete. You have made several posts in the past pertaining altered T206s. I'm just curious, How does this card differ from those accusations? You actually wash away paper waste? How in the World is submitting cards in a wash not considered altered?? Is this not deceitful? Submerging cards in water and not telling....

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

God it's a shame you can't grow any hair. Your brain is fried! If someone tried this on you, you would go nuts and you know it..

You really are an idiot, didn't really know it until now....

juuuuuuust documenting before you delete all your nonsense.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Good job Pete. You have made several posts in the past pertaining altered T206s. I'm just curious, How does this card differ from those accusations? You actually wash away paper waste? How in the World is submitting cards in a wash not considered altered?? Is this not deceitful? Submerging cards in water and not telling....



You really are an idiot, didn't really know it until now....

juuuuuuust documenting before you delete all your nonsense.

answer my question....

[ullmandds]

it has been discussed ad nauseum what people consider acceptable regarding soaking and other alterations. Most...myself included feel that most high grade cards in the hobby today were at one time likely in albums and soaked for removal.

I do not care if a card has been soaked...its undetectable and the card is improved. If you don't like soaking...good for you. And if you don't get what the difference between soaking and trimming is...then you're an idiot!

[CMIZ5290]

So a high grade card that has been soaked never leaves water stains or other marks? You implied in a previous post about some of my high grade cards likely having some issues with this tampering. Can you explain? Can you show me? I doubt it......

[ullmandds]

nope

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

nope

At least your honest Pete.

[ullmandds]

good...scram...and stop raining on my wajo parade!!!!!