Could be getting scammed ??

[T206DK]

I sold two cards to someone off the BST board last week. I shipped them out to the appropriate address with delivery confirmation. Insurance was not requested by the buyer. He emailed today telling me he received an empty padded envelope in the mail and threatened me with " other action" if I didn't respond. I' have never had an envelope just show up empty, so this is anew one in my 15-20 years of selling through the USPS. I have the original receipt that shows I didn't mail just an empty envelope. This seems strange to me. Is there that much postal theft in New Jersey or points in between ? How would someone know there were 2 old cards in that envelope in order to conveniently steal them , then re-seal the envelope to make it look like it had never been opened. Any feedback would be appreciated. I was having such good experiences selling and buying on the BST , and now this Ebay-ish thing happens to me

[JasonL]

if a threat comes in the very first correspondence.
an empty envelope is a first for me, thankfully.
Have him put the cards back in it, and then the envelope won't be empty anymore!

Honestly, though, good luck with the resolution. I hope it works out for both.

[Clark7781]

That just SUCKS. It's one thing to say that the package didn't arrive; it's another to say the seller shipped an empty envelope.

Hell, just the other day I contacted a seller here on the boards I bought something for because I hadn't received it yet (it was a little over two weeks).

I had the seller send it to my company as I we have had a series of mail thefts in my area over the past year.

Anyway, I contacted the seller and get the Insurance tracking number.

I contacted my mail room and they didn't have a record of it arriving.

I contacted the local post office, and viola, the item was at the post office. They had attempted to deliver the item twice, couldn't get the retards in our mail room to sign it, so held it at the post office.

[Robextend]

Not that this is related or comforting, but I had the same issue happen on Ebay. I sold a low grade T206 Chase for like $25 with delivery confirmation but no insurance.

Buyer said envelope came empty and opened a case. Ebay ruled that no one was at fault and issued a refund.

[AndyG09]

The threat of "other action" in the initial response to the problem raises some red flags in my mind. How about an explanation first and an expression of concern? Leads me to think something is not on the up and up on the buyers part. Sorry you have to deal with this one.

[Clark7781]

I'm saddened to hear that it is a member of "one of us."

Please PM me the member's name, which I will keep in confidence, so I know to steer clear away from said person.

[FUBAR]

the empty envelope is just another way to get their money back through paypal. Paypal will side with them and you are now out the money and the card. this is the exact reason i will never use paypal again.

It should be , if they decline insurance, they are responsible.....

sucks, what kind of man would "con" or "steal" just to get a card!

[nebboy]

The PO charges by weight, if a small bubble mailer was shipped empty the postage would be .44 cents. If it had the 2 cards it should change the postage to at least .88 (if in top loaders) or more for slabed cards. Plus the cost of conf.

Just a though, hope it helps.

Originally Posted by Clark7781

I'm saddened to hear that it is a member of "one of us."

Please PM me the member's name, which I will keep in confidence, so I know to steer clear away from said person.

NO the person who is fraudulant should be outed so we all can know to stay away from any dealings with him/her. Name and login ID are great as most people have similar on ebay and so on. Just helps keep us from being ripped off

[Chicago206]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

NO the person who is fraudulant should be outed so we all can know to stay away from any dealings with him/her. Name and login ID are great as most people have similar on ebay and so on. Just helps keep us from being ripped off

With all due respect, there are 2 sides to every story, and we havent heard from the "other" guy. So I dont think "outing" just yet is called for publicly. However, having said that, I did just PM the thread starter to ask for his username so I can avoid him in any future dealings. Private is the way to go at this point IMO.

[teetwoohsix]

Sorry this has happened to you Dave.I'm hoping to see the other person involved respond to this thread.


Regards,Clayton

[bbsports]

Here is a scan of the envelope that this seller shipped to me today w/ delivery confirmation. The cost was $2.53. If he really sent those 2 graded PSA 5 cards to me, don't you think the shipping w/ delivery confirmation would be more than $2.53? Now, who is scamming here?

[ullmandds]

i hear psa 5 cards weigh the most...

[oriolesbb6]

Wow that's about the lamest defense I've heard. Anyone who is a frequent buyer/seller hopefully understands the cost of shipping: Here is the pricing for two graded cards shipped 1st class:
Delivery confirmation: $0.19
1st Class postage approx 6 ounces: 2.52.

[Chicago206]

Its painfully obvious that the bubble mailer DID contain something when shipped. If the buyer claims it was INTACT, but EMPTY, he is either a liar or someone carefully opened then resealed the bubble mailer.

[T206DK]

here is a picture of the receipt from the initial shipment to Bill from me. as you can clearly see.



I am not a thief nor a liar. After the package left my hands at the post office I had no control over it or it's security. Bill chose not to pay for insurance and frankly I don't pay for other peoples insurance out of my own pocket. I trust the members here and hope to gain the same trust and respect from all of you as well. The dealings I've had on BST this year and in 2007 have all been good experiences until now.

[lharri3600]

I agree with chicago, that's the first thing i looked at when the scan was posted. Like i stated looks like an inside job.

Originally Posted by chicago206

its painfully obvious that the bubble mailer did contain something when shipped. If the buyer claims it was intact, but empty, he is either a liar or someone carefully opened then resealed the bubble mailer.

[rhettyeakley]

Something isn't adding up here!

So you got a package in the mail that was supposed to have 2 graded cards in it and it arrived "empty" (I assume it would have been obvious that two slabbed cards weren't inside) but you then opened it? or is the huge rip on the side the way it arrived? If it is the latter you really owe the original seller an apolgy--threatening someone right off the bat is lame!

$2.50 is not what it would cost to send an empty bubble mailer with DC--so at some point there was something in that bubble mailer!

I would be REALLY pissed if I was the seller and you just posted my address on the internet for all to see!

-Rhett

[mintacular]

Two PSA cards First class mail w/DC should cost between $2.50-$3...

[J.McMurry]

i hear psa 5 cards weigh the most...

I spewed my drink on that one

[bbsports]

If you have the receipt, send it to me.

[quinnsryche]

How about he posts the receipt here for all to see.

[lharri3600]

My fellow board members,
allow me to say this about what is going on here. Yes it does seem strange that the envelope arrived empty. However, there some real good theives working for the post office. I say this because for 5 years i worked as an investigator. Now about the 2 members, i've dealt with both of them over the years buying and selling and both gentlemen are damned good people! From an investigative point of view, there is a solution to this issue. I'd like to talk to bill and dave on this matter in private. I'm tired of the finger pointing and the conjecture, that said, if you both would email me i'd give you my number and we can do a conference call so we can close this issue.

[lharri3600]

Keep in mind that it cost more to get delivery conformation when you take the package to the post office. When you use paypal, it costs $.19.

[Bridwell]

Hi Bill,
You know I've been selling some cards lately. First class postage with delivery confirmation and no insurance would be about $2.53. I looks like someone tampered with the package in route. It may have been opened and resealed. Sorry this happened to you.

Ron R