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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Robert
I just recieved back from SGC about 60 cards that I was stunned on how low they graded. I thought for sure that this Matty port would get at least a 50 and maybe a 60. No creases or wrinkles, nice regiestration and centering. |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: warshawlaw
The scans on ebay are too low res to make a real call on it. I have to wonder, though, as to why you'd sell it cheap in a 2 holder instead of cracking it out and resubmitting? |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: RayB
I'd be interested in buying that card. |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Brian
Your card will not go cheap now that its posted on this board ... |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Robert
My intentions are not to bring attention to my auction but to mention my findings, I have never posted a pic on this site before and know how to post links that is why I did what I did. I understand why the 2 Cobbs are graded because they have small corner creases, and still feel thay should of graded higher despite. I think the cobbs should be 40's and the Matty a 50. Just the same I think that this will be the last time I ever use SGC for grading my cards. Besides when I do sell PSA brings in about a 20% higher price then SGC or GAI. |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Al Crisafulli
"Just my two cents on the injustice of the grading system we are now forced to use" |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: cmoking
note to self - be careful buying raw cards from bresdo. |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Josh K.
Absent a larger scan, there is no way to tell whether the card is accurately graded. However, I can say that I am fairly certain there is no way it would get a 60. A 40 or 50 seems reasonable, however, I have found that even a spec of paperloss (which is not always obvious) can lower a cards grade to a 30 or 40. Add a small wrinkle that isnt apparent to the naked eye, and you've got yourself a 30. Its happened to all of us. |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Brian
Does GAI grade closer to your liking? Not trying to be sarcastic, just curious... |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: anonymousdave
I just had grades posted from sgc on a little 10 card submission of lower conditioned pre-war stuff... 5 of the 10 cards were slabbed in a lower grade than what i expected...i am usually only off on 1 in 10 or so...and i have been submitting cards to sgc longer than the current graders have been grading cards. One borderline GD-VG card did recieve a VG ..so i guess i should be happy...or start listening to my own advice about slabbing cards. |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Robert
Her is a larger pic that I just got hosted on one of the suggested companies. |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Robert
cmoking, |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Al Crisafulli
Is it just the scan, or is that a crease that cuts directly across the card, right about at his nose? |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: James Feagin
There appears to be three surface wrinkles on edges. IMHO, this card looks like a prototypical 40. |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Keith O'Leary
heres the nicest looking 40 (front and back are super clean) ya'd ever wanna see. has very minor surface wrinkling that can't be seen easily.
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: leon
If that is wrinkling through the face (which I am pretty sure it is) then the 30 is warranted. Could it be a 40? Probably. But a 30 with those wrinkles is not out of line, imho. How would anyone here like to buy Robert's card without a scan, in a 50 holder, and have those wrinkles? I am not getting personal here and it's a great card...and we let this current auction thread go as it's for a good debate. Just giving the other view....best regards (fwiw I have several cards like this with low grades that are beautiful) |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Lee Behrens
Overgrade: |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Anonymous
Robert, |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: cmoking
Bresdo - thanks for the clarification. That really does help. Apologies for jumping to conclusions. |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Anonymous
Robert: do you have a scan of the back? Based on the grade, I would guess what looks like a wrinkle across the front actually shows through on the back. A crease, no matter how slight, is still a crease, and one that goes across the middle of the card will kill the grade. There's also the mark ("smudge") at the top and another wrinkle/crease that starts at the right side and moves toward the middle. |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: scott ingold
And possibly a small tic of paper missing on the bottom right ? |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: andy becker
robert, |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: scott ingold
I believe someone was trashed for the same thing not to long ago regarding a cobb. |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: rob
With the crease across the middle on the Mathewson makes it a 2. Light enough you could had hoped for a 3, but theres too much corner wear. |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Jeff
Post office was using the pony express |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Josh K.
It looks like there is a fairly obvious wrinkle through the middle of the card - if so, did you really think that this card would get a 50 or 60? Despite their published standards, I have found that SGC will rarely grade a card with a wrinkle better than a 40. |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Josh K.
Jeff, |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: anonymousdave
from the sgc web-site on the grading standards page: |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: warshawlaw
I could not tell from the scan if there were wrinkles but it looks like there is a stain on the top border, four well rounded corners and a chip off the bottom right corner. On ebay it looked like some staining on the back too. Based on the front only, it is a a vg card. If there are back stains and/or wrinkles, g-vg is warranted. |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Robert
Andy, |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: quan
all you guys who found reasons to mark this card down to a 30 would grade your raw cards the same way. at first glance to me it looks VG/EX, but if that light crease/wrinkle does show on the back, then i can see it being G+. On a good day it'll get in a 40 holder. |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: andy becker
robert, |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Not trying to be "One Up on Everyone" here, but check-out this |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Al Crisafulli
"Of course if certain people were to submit instead of robert i would think at least a 40 for sure." |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: dennis
have to agree 100% w/andy on this. if you are selling cards and asking opinions on the cards you are selling and providing links to your auction.....well all i'll say is it belongs in the buy/sell thread! |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: WP
I think very often cards that appear to be high grade get lowered substantially when they have glue or paste on the reverse. |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: leon
I would caution everyone to be careful of posting cards on the main forum that are currently, or about to be, for sale. That is what the BST threads are for...now pass the cheese.... |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Genaro
I buy raw cards and send them off to be graded. I rather have it a grade lower but verified to be authentic than not grading at all. I also prefer to grade so I can dispute any card that was advertised as authentic but not graded. |
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SGC grading to harsh
Posted By: Jim
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