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Chicago Tribune/Balt Sun Photos
Let me first say that I have no affiliation with the sellers of these photos. I would just like to say that I have bought a good number of these press photos from ebay and think they are some great items to own. Also they make a good gift for a cheap price.
My question to everyone is that with the printed newspapers in steady decline across the country will we continue to see some of our major newspapers start selling their archives? Feel free to chime in with any thoughts or scans of some photos you may have won.... Andrew |
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I think that we already have seen that and are continuing to see it more and more. I'm sure that this trend will continue into the forseeable future.
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I do have one question along those lines. When the newspaper stamping (logo, address, etc.) appears on the back of an original photo, with or without a date stamp, does that necessarily mean that the photo was produced at that time or could the photo have been produced much earlier and that was just the date/time that the particular newspaper used it for printing? I'm sure that the newspaper photographers did not take many of the photos originally that were printed in their publications over the years.
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I'm sure that this trend will continue and grow over the years, especially because of people like John Rogers. Most of these companies have millions of images in their photo morgues literally collecting dust, and when someone like John comes along, offers to purchase the originals and digitize them ALL for free as an incentive, it's hard to say 'no'. Granted, I don't think you'll be seeing the Daily News or the New York Times do anything like that in the near future, but as we get deeper and deeper into the digital age, I'm sure the trend will continue with a plethora of newspapers.
This of course, could be good and bad for collectors. Obviously, it'll be nice to have all of these new images to see and fall in love with, especially for someone like myself who's not so much into the collecting aspect. But at the same time, someone who is buying photos for investment purposes might want to keep in mind that the flooding of the market with these finds can certainly adversely effect the prices. One might not see much change in the prices for photos by people like Conlon, Bain and Thompson, but certainly some of the postwar guys - Emmons is a prime example - will probably drop to very reasonable figures. Just some food for thought... Graig
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Hah! And Lance, it looks like we're on the same page at the same time.
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Just my 2 cents based on this hypothetical scenario... Last edited by thecatspajamas; 12-20-2011 at 09:55 AM. |
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To Phil, most photos with the newspaper's stamp on the back were shot by a staff photographer. If the quality of the image/paper seems original, then the photo probably is. A newspaper can make reprints of old images just like news services did, but most will be originals.
Big newspapers both received photos from UPI, ACME etc for national/international events and shot their own photos of local/regional events. Their archives will contain both types. Last edited by drc; 12-20-2011 at 12:11 PM. |
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1921 Baltimore Sun photo
Here is a 1921 Baltimore Sun photo I received in the mail yesterday. I think I am becoming a bit obsessive? But how cool is it to also have the corresponding 1921 Tip Top bread card too?
Edited to add I do think we will continue to see some more photos coming out. Newspapers have nothing to do with them and John makes it an easy win-win for them. Nice photos (top tier) will still fetch decent prices and more common players will be lower of course. This one cost me a whopping $15.00
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Nice photo Leon. That was a nice eye to be able to pick up on that photo.
Thanks everyone for your responses so far. I just thought it would be cool if over the next few years we may have the opportunity to acquire some really nice photos that have been hidden away for years. It seems that a number of these photos that come from a local paper could be ideal for those who collect specific teams from that area. |
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Now that is just plain cool!
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Here is a Cobb from May 1927. It's not in the best shape but is still neat.
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Nice examples! Just goes to show that with vintage photos, you have to take them on a case by case basis if you're trying to determine when the photo was shot, if/when it was used in publication, whether it's a 1st generation, 2nd generation, restrike, etc. I still feel that later-year restrikes or re-shot photos are the more common occurrance over earlier unmarked photos being repurposed for publication, but in cases like the Wagner and Ward photos Scott mentioned, the supporting details point to those being the exception rather than the rule. My main concern is not wanting to give the false impression that the situation that Phil was describing was a common occurrence. (I took his original question to be whether a photo clearly shot during an earlier period, say 1927 based on the content of the photo itself, but stamped by the newspaper with a later date, say 1950, could in fact be a print produced in 1927, filed away without any date stamps or markings in 1927, then was pulled out of a file and used for publication in 1950 at which point it was stamped with the 1950 date). I feel that kind of situation would be a rare occurrence, and would require more supporting evidence to make me think that was the case rather than the photo simply being a 1950's-era restrike of a 1927 photo. That may sound convoluted, but that is what I was getting from his question. It just goes to show how difficult it can be to make an all-encompassing statement when dealing with vintage photographs though. That's why I prefer to take them on a case-by-case basis or, in many indeterminate cases, just call it a "vintage photograph" and talk more about the pretty picture on the front |
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Andrew,
Beaten up or not, that Cobb gaze can't be stopped. And it's a great shot to boot! I love the man with the dark suit behind Ty - it sort of has this reverse halo effect on the contour of his head. And I think I remember seeing that one on eBay (and at a nice price, I might add) - you picked yourself a winner! Graig
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Craig,
My picking out a nice photo from the internet pales in comparison to the talent you show in your work |
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I think there is a high likelihood that we will continue to see this as long as there are those like John Rogers out there helping them to realize what they have and help them to liquidate that physical asset. I would guess that in most cases, newspapers only re-use a very small percentage of the photos that they are storing (at their expense) in their physical archives, and what Rogers does is basically work out a deal where the photos are all scanned and returned to the paper in a usable digital archive, Rogers keeps the physical photographs, AND pays the newspaper some lump sum for all this. Most papers that he has approached, or at least those on shaky financial footing, seem to have taken this as a win/win situation for the paper. I can't recall specifically if he was involved in the Chicago Tribune deal, but the last time I checked, the list of papers he had worked out deals with was I think somewhere around 10-12 that I could find info on, amounting to MILLIONS of physical photographs.
You can do some searching and read up on how he's going about it, but I for one was very impressed with the scale of his operation. He really seems to have all the kinks worked out, and I would guess that as long as there are cash-strapped nespapers sitting on physical photo archives, he'll be the go-to guy for converting those into something more usable by the papers. |
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