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1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
It was the Summer of '47....my sister and I carefully opened up Homogenized Bond Bread packages, for a Joe DiMaggio, a Ted Williams, |
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Before I begin, let me state that this is an old thread (from early 2009........I can still remember that year as though it was yesterday....).
This is for prosperity and for Ted Z.... The following eBay item just ended: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=230415942970 It was for the complete 24 card '47 Bond Bread imposter cards/set (22 baseball + Joe Louis & Primo Carnera) which were unearthed by Dave Festberg. The seller stated he purchased the set in 1990 from B&J as noted in the SCD article. The card backs were the beige variety not the white version. I passed on bidding on this item but was surprised to see it only sold for $102 (Nr/Mt set). I have always greatly appreciated everything I have learned (and continue learning) about this set from Ted Z., but at the end of his dissertations it always makes my head hurt. Plus, there is always the possibility that it is in fact a reprinted set. Guess, others feel the same way. Lovely Day... |
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The fact that Stephens appears in a 1947 uniform in a later card is not an anachronism. If he'd been in a Red Sox uni it would disprove an issue date from before the trade.
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As they say, "A picture is worth a thousand words". Since DiMaggio isn't supposed to be available with square corners, maybe you could take a pic of just that card.
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I posted the Di Maggio and just think, there are 11 more square corners...... this is too much fun,,,, I think that they think, that I am full of it.......The only thing that ruins this whole thing is the 10 year old that scotch taped the corners in the scrapbook... I am still hopeful my In Law can save these corners....
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Hi Lee
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Email me and I will discuss this further...... tedzan11@comcast.net TED Z Last edited by tedzan; 02-27-2014 at 07:34 PM. |
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Jackie 1947?
What do you think? Is it a 1947 or later
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1947-JACKIE-...item35d97b133a |
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Hi Michael
It looks like a 1947 from the BOND BREAD packages. All four corners appear to have a (partial) bevel. I say "partial" since the corner cuts
are not clean-cut. I wish the seller would have shown the back of this card....in order for me to be certain that it is an original 1947. TED Z |
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Picked this up recently and it seems to be made by the same production people as the Bond etc. cards and related materials. It is the size of a commemorative postage stamp, blank backed, real photo.
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Thanks for the info. I like the idea of getting a "true" rookie card, might have to pick one of these up even if not as popular.
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1940's bond cards
Need your help,, cannot send Bond Pictures (22) for verification. Even when I try to send email it says no no.Been at this for 2days and feel like IQ is 40 Minus that is
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1940's Bond Cards
It almost looks like these rounded corners come from picture holders in those days. Mine all have what looks like scotch tape angled at the corners just like the picture holders. Your thoughts please... thank you, Douglas
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Here are Doolittle's cards
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Douglas I collected these cards back in 1947. I pulled them out of BOND BREAD packages. Their corners were Factory (die cut) rounded. FYI....I'm reprising my initial post here. Quote:
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And an informative reprisal thread is always welcome. Most board members didn't collect in 1947.
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Many of us have enjoyed ripping wax, most of us would love to have ripped tobacco and caramel...Ted is the only one I know that has ripped flour.
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show us your cards
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Last edited by doolittle1.1.1; 07-19-2016 at 08:40 PM. Reason: identify myself |
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Like magic, my 1st post images have re-appeared. I'm in the process of gradually transferring my images to another system. TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 11-02-2017 at 04:37 PM. |
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Tip Top and Bond Bread were issued by the same company -Ward Baking, whose parent company was General Baking when these 2 sets were issued in 1947.
Tip Top only issued cards for the cities that had teams -for example, Tip Top contained only cards of the Braves and Red Sox while New York were only issued Yankees, Giants and Dodgers, so collectors would see any other team. I'll go out on a limb and say that Bond Bread cards were issued in states and cities that had no teams. Just a wild guess. |
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1947 BOND BREAD cards
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Ryan Both 1947 BOND BREAD and TIP TOP cards were issued in states and cities which had Major League teams playing BB. I don't understand this last statement of yours. It does not make any sense. I collected these BOND BREAD cards as a very young kid in the Summer/Fall of 1947. We lived in NJ (less than a 1/2 hour away from NYC). My cousins who lived in NYC collected these same cards. The TIP TOP Set consists of 163 subjects which represent 11 teams in the Major Leagues. The BOND BREAD set consists of 44 ballplayers....here is a team checklist: NEW YORK GIANTS ------------------- JOHNNY MIZE SID GORDON LARRY JANSEN SHELDON JONES BUDDY KERR WHITEY LOCKMAN WILLARD MARSHALL BOBBY THOMSON BROOKLYN DODGERS -------------------- JACKIE ROBINSON REX BARNEY RALPH BRANCA BRUCE EDWARDS CARL FURILLO JOE HATTEN GIL HODGES PEE WEE REESE NEW YORK YANKEES -------------------- JOE DiMAGGIO LARRY BERRA JOE GORDON CHARLIE KELLER JOHNNY LINDELL PHIL RIZZUTO AARON ROBINSON BOSTON RED SOX ------------------ TED WILLIAMS DOM DIMAGGIO BOBBY DOERR JOHNNY PESKY CLEVELAND INDIANS --------------------- BOB FELLER LOU BOUDREAU KEN KELTNER BIRDIE TEBBETTS ST LOUIS CARDINALS ---------------------- STAN MUSIAL HARRY BRECHEEN ENOS SLAUGHTER BOSTON BRAVES ----------------- JOHNNY SAIN BOB ELLIOTT TOMMY HOLMES CINCINNATI REDS ------------------- EWELL BLACKWELL JOHNNY VANDERMEER CHICAGO CUBS ------------- ANDY PAFKO PHILADELPHIA ATHLETICS -------------------------- EDDIE JOOST PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES ------------------------- DEL ENNIS PITTSBURGH PIRATES ---------------------- RALPH KINER ST LOUIS BROWNS ------------------- VERN STEPHENS TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 11-19-2019 at 11:38 AM. Reason: Added information. |
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Well, I did say I'd go out on a limb
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Deleted.
Mistaken post.
Last edited by tedzan; 04-09-2020 at 05:01 AM. |
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Picked this up ungraded. Took a risk.
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Keep Posting
Thanks all for starting to post your cards, whether individually or side-by-side with another from the different set. We need to see the backs of any "rounded" (die-cut) corner cards, especially if you can identify it to being a card from the Sport Star Subjects set. The more we get of Bond Bread and Sport Star Subject images, the better we can all see the difference. Even if you have a card that you're not sure is a Bond Bread insert or a Sport Star Subjects card (regardless of how a grading company may have classified it), we may have enough to tell the difference. Thanks again, Mike
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[IMG]2020-08-19_11-21-13 by Pete Defino, on Flickr[/IMG]
So I'm going to assume this is a 1947 Bond Bread ? Back.. [IMG]2020-08-20_12-58-53 by Pete Defino, on Flickr[/IMG] |
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Managed to get to mine today and take some pics......sorry for the pink cast, I'm no so good with the camera.
I took them on a white granite with gray fleck, I was trying to give a comparison in shade of stock. I'd say overall minus the pink cast - if you imagined 2 shades lighter for actual briteness of stock you'd be in the park. Definitely NOT a grey toned back, any flecking and pattering on the white back is more light caramel in hue. Hope these close ups show the cuts well enough, as well as some vagaries of printing... |
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If you're willing, let's put it to the grading service. What I'd do is send them an e-mail saying you received back this card (give them their graded card number) and ask how do they know it's a 1947 Bond Bread insert card and not a card from the "Sport Star Subjects" set. I'd also attach to the e-mail the scan below (or a similar scan) of "Sport Star Subjects" boxes so they have no excuse for not knowing what you are talking about. [The scan was provided in Post #280 above on 06-11-2020 by member "tim"]. I think we all would like to know what they say. Will they say both of those sets are Bond Bread sets, or they don't know what the "Sport Star Subjects" set is, or something else? If they ask you any questions, bring them back here and we all can help answer them. Be well, Mike P.S. They might say the card submission form said a "Bond Bread card." Even if it did, that's no excuse for a grading service. They should never take a submitter's definition at face value, and should authenticate any card before they put their label on the slab. Good luck! Last edited by abctoo; 08-23-2020 at 12:19 AM. |
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Uhm, Mike, I was just offering up some pics. Do with them as you will for your research but I'm not co-sponsering. Ok? |
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Any help on this one would be appreciated.
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Gentlemen, I respect your knowledge and opinions very much, so I'd like to ask your advice. I have a strong emotional affinity for Stan Musial. I'd really like to own a 1947 Bond Bread Musial. A ROUNDED-CORNERS Musial, of course. But I'm suspect of a couple I've seen that they could be altered versions of a squared-corners one. Is there history of this happening? With PSA not touching those cards, I find only SGC-graded cards. Should I trust completely those cards are legit? If I look at a raw card, is there a giveaway on alteration? Thank you!
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The real issue is whether the card is an actual Bond Bread package insert card or whether it is a virtually identical lookalike from the "rounded-corner" Sport Star Subjects set. Those participating in this thread have not come to a consensus as to the date of issue of the Sport Star Subjects set. A few doubt whether the Sport Star Subjects set ever existed with "rounded-corners." If you see a Musial card you like, take it on its face value. I am of the opinion that the very high grade Stan Musial cards available today (whether graded or not) are generally not Bond Bread cards but are from the round-corner Sport Star Subjects set. Mike |
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need help on Bond Bread Cards
Hi all
New here need help on bond bread cards. I am in the process of doing a book on them and need card info. I need L/W and thickness on all bond bread cards. Round corner square corner the Jackie Robinson set the exhibit set to. forget the two-sided set to. I need the sizes and thickness on all the cards and will take pictures on any of these cards front and back please. If you can please help me out. thanks alton |
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This card is currently being auctioned. I must add the disclaimer that I do not claim to be an expert on these cards. However, I was wondering when I saw this card, do you think someone took one of the later versions and cut off the corners to make it look like a Bond Bread card? Opinions are welcome. In case Leon asks for full name, David Maupin
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Here's a picture of the back.
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I figured Ted would know if this kind of odd cut on the corners was normal.
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