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NEED HELP with this WASHINGTON SENATORS TICKET STUB 1913-1920 but what year ?
NEED HELP WASHINGTON SENATORS TICKET STUB
1913-1920 but what year ? ticket has "AMERICAN LEAGUE BASE BALL CLUB I know who the team president for the Washington Senator WASHINGTON, D.C which the signature SEEMS TO BE Benjamin Minor 1912 – 1920 Benjamin Minor the back has a name of HOLMES BAKERY that was in business from 1800'S TO MID 1920'S SEE PICTURE just wondering if any one can identify year of this Washington Senators ticket , it Has large # 2 so that should mean home Game 2 with hand written Boston 8 Was 2 , this it totally wrong as I looked up all the Home schedules 1912 -1920 and that game score against Boston was not the second home game hopefully one of you guys can give some insight Last edited by megalimey; 11-27-2017 at 02:23 PM. Reason: more info added |
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Last edited by RUKen; 11-27-2017 at 01:24 PM. |
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i was not sure
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was not against Boston , it was a opening day and 3 games verses the yankees games 2 and 3 were rained out , the next three home game were against Phila which were also rained Home game numbers were Printed prior to season Start thats why I think the score was maybe added to deceive see 1913 AL schedule |
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Hi David, I hope you are well. FYI, The team president is Benjamin Minor, so this ticket can be absolutely be identified as being from the years 1913-1919 and was played at National Park. Although RUKen is certainly correct that in 1913 the Nats lost to Boston on 4/22 with a score of 8-3, there are 2 other date possibilities from the 1913-1919 era: 6/21/15 Game 1 (Babe Ruth gets a win in this game) Nats lose 8-3 6/4/19 Nats lose 8-3 The other outlying clue is the fact that you have the sponsor on the back of the ticket. There were no sponsors on the back of all of the Nats tickets that I have from Walter Johnson wins in the 1920's. Perhaps someone that recognizes the sponsor might be able to further narrow down the search. I cannot, unfortunately... I hope this helps. Last edited by Scott Garner; 11-27-2017 at 01:53 PM. |
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8-3 was added incorrectly
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was against the yankees which was rained out I added the 1913 Schedule 1913 was a miserable weather period in Washington with 5 out of the six first home games rained out , if you see the results there a void of games played for the first week Game 1 was on a thursday and yet their next game played was also on a thursday which is a week between games , proof some games were rained out , Retro only show game played so counting down is a common misconception to identify game numbers |
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David,
I mean no disrespect, but especially with rainouts, it's been my experience that game numbers don't actually tell the story. Since this game 2 ticket is a rain check, it could be used for any future game in the season if it was, in fact, rained out. The day that the ticket was used, the Senators played Boston and likely lost 8-3 as noted by the patron. Nothing that I see on the ticket nails down the year as 1913 BTW. For this reason, I did not use the game number 2 as an absolute guide in my assessment and I agree in that this assumes that the game was completed as a game of record. It could be from any year between 1913-1919 according to our good friend Dan Busby's book on Washington Senators tickets. Last edited by Scott Garner; 11-27-2017 at 02:24 PM. |
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thats not really how Rainouts work
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the ticket stub would have to be exchanged at the ticket office for any future game , and not just presented at the turnstile , as how would the ticket collector know which game was rained also once torn you could not use that stub to gain reentry into the park , if so it could be handed back through the fence a hundred times to all the neighborhood kids , I think the writing was added at later date based on looking at retro games played , |
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I would like you to consider the fact that may not have been the way that they were handled prior to WWII. In my own personal collection I have several early vintage undated tickets that have old vintage fountain pen inscriptions that indicate that a game was played on a different date than the game number indicated on the front of the ticket. I truly believe that some teams operated on such slim financial margins in the early part of the 20th century that a second ticket would not be issued in order to save money. I know that the Brooklyn Dodgers did this, and I suspect others did as well FWIW. This is the challenging issue with undated vintage tickets. I really don't personally believe that there were any absolutes IMHO. Just my 2 cents. Last edited by Scott Garner; 11-27-2017 at 03:01 PM. |
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