what a joke

[thehoodedcoder]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=271222721123


Response from seller:

The description is accurate so one is left to discuss merely the price.The multiplicity which T206 collecting has fractioned into creates a tremendous demand for a specimen which is slightly different or simply stands out from the rest.Blank backs, miscuts, stray text versions, print defect jobs, freaks, singles with ghosted surfaces, and color varieties, almost without exception once thought to be relatively WORTHLESS, are now instead all the craze with many selling for thousands and even tens of thousands of dollars both privately and publicly.This exponential value growth is still happening with an end nowhere in sight.You can emphatically claim that this card is not worth even a grand, but years from now when everyone is still hunting desperately while the supply of distinct T206's has dried up even further, you or someone else might well fit into the category of "I really wish I had bought that card when it was REASONABLY PRICED."Best wishes for much continued hobby enjoyment.Regards,Irishhosta


LOL what a joke. Im going to start putting my old mill slers on ebay and claiming the same thing then marking them up 100x

when anyone asks about them i will give them this guys reply.

kevin

[Zach Wheat]

They actually are a pretty good seller. I have bought a number of pre WW II cards from them. They had the only set Of V61s Type IIs with a good mix of Type Is that I have seen in a long time. At the time I did not realize how rare Type Is we're for certain cards and passed on the set. They were knowledgeable and willing to negotiate. Now I wish I purchased it as I have seen very few of certain cards since.

I chalk the description you referenced as being a promoter...perhaps this is not an unreasonable price for someone.....

Z Wheat

[bobbyw8469]

I know this seller has some Sport Kings I wanted when I was building the set. His prices were so far off in left field, I didn't even bother to make an offer, as any reasonable offer would be seen as an insult by him. Another Ebay museum seller in my eyes.....

[CW]

The back of this card is browner than any typical Black Old Mill back you see. Furthermore, it is factory cut and you can judge for yourself if it is brown enough to enter into your collection as an official Brown Old Mill back.

Response from seller:

The description is accurate

Hmmmm... when he says "the back of this card is browner" I wonder if he's referring to the actual overall surface of the back, and not the print (that print, btw, is not close AT ALL to being brownish).

If he's trying to say that the print is brown, well, his description is not accurate. I guess by letting us "judge for ourselves" he is absolving himself from any blame should the card look black in hand.

Ultimately, no experienced T206 collector will buy this as a legit brown OM.

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[I won't edit this post, but to clear up any confusion, the ebay description was changed after this post]

[Sean]

Originally Posted by CW

Ultimately, no experienced T206 collector will buy this as a legit brown OM.

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This all reminds me of what Wonka said recently in another thread," If you have to ask, it isn't brown."

[Rich Klein]

Brian and Michael Wentz in thei other selling ID --- few people know as much as they do about cards.

Rich

[Sean]

My favorite part is where he says "factory cut." Brown Old Mills were not distributed in packs and are essentially printer's scrap, so shouldn't they be hand cut?
If it was a Brown Old Mill, which it is not.

[the 'stache]

Ok, I will volunteer myself as the discussion newbie, and ask why the card for sale is not a brown old mill. Coincidentally, I did a search for rarest T206 backs last night, and found this old thread on our forum:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=121930

Old mill brown is the scarcest, apparently, but the one up for sale looks brown to me.

Could somebody please post a picture of a true old mill brown back here? I'll then copy the back from the Ebay auction, and make a picture in Photoshop to put them side by side.

Might as well make this discussion a learning tool.

[the 'stache]

Hmm, this might suffice..



But how can I tell the one for sale is not the one on the left, the rarer version?

[CW]

But how can I tell the one for sale is not the one on the left, the rarer version?

It simply does not look brown to me when comparing to legitimate brown OM backs. It can be tough to tell if you're dealing with a bad scan or photo, but this one seems fairly clear.

[thehoodedcoder]

the person selling this card knows very well that it is not a brown back.

no real need for discussion about it. they are simply saying what they are saying so they can put a 2500.00 price tag on their item and hope some one is going to buy it.

their response says it all..."give me 2500 and then you decide if it is half brown and half black or if you made a big mistake."

kevin

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

the person selling this card knows very well that it is not a brown back.

no real need for discussion about it. they are simply saying what they are saying so they can put a 2500.00 price tag on their item and hope some one is going to buy it.

their response says it all..."give me 2500 and then you decide if it is half brown and half black or if you made a big mistake."

kevin

Since I believe we're all in agreement about this particular auction, Kevin, I'll just leave this link to a discussion that has already taken place on Net54 (thanks to Sean for directing me to it).

http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=172268

Anybody who stumbles across this thread in the future looking for more information about identifying true brown Old Mills backs need only go to this linked discussion.

[wonkaticket]

Not brown, and these two folks should know its not and know better than to even hint that it is. The very response is sign that its not brown any card that needs that much of a pitch isn't a tough card.

Nice to know that some folks can put a price on their credibility looks like theirs can be had for 2500.

[Runscott]

Bill, if you had a brown, a black and one like Irishosta's, they would all look significantly different from one another. I know this for a fact, as I was involved in a large 'find' about 10 years ago that had a large number of these brown-black Old Mills. We discussed these at that time, board members who had seen legitimate browns told me to compare it to a Brown Hindu - others basically accused me of trying to do what Irishosta is doing. I made the comparison, and it was obvious that while these don't look like black Old Mills, they are not the rare browns. I sold them and they went for the same price as black Old Mills - not $2,500.

I realize that half of you aren't going to understand what I just wrote and the other half won't care, but it is what it is.

[drcy]

Half of us don't understand half of what you wrote, and the other half didn't understand the other half. But don't worry, we promise to compare notes.

Actually, I understood what you wrote and I'm not even into this Old Mill stuff. What you're saying is it's pretty much all voodoo.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by drcy

Half of us don't understand half of what you wrote, and the other half didn't understand the other half. But don't worry, we promise to compare notes.

Actually, I understood what you wrote and I'm not even into this Old Mill stuff. What you're saying is it's pretty much all voodoo.

Haha. Well, David - I'm betting that you are the only person who read it thoroughly enough to even attempt to understand it. The posts before it and after indicate as much. But, then again, it could be that people are just enjoying an opportunity to pile on (quite often that is a quality of this board) and couldn't care less about having an intelligent conversation.

[drcy]

I did think I understood what you wrote. If you compare all three side by side in person, the difference brown and black & black's variants is clear. Pun intended. If I didn't want a pun, I would have said obvious instead of clear.

Describing color variations in words is by definition a difficult task. Colors are seen not read, and words can only inexactly symbolize colors.

In short "Seeing is believing."