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Dating 1907 A.C. Dietsche Postcards by Stamp Box
Is there a way to date 1907 Dietsche postcards by the stamp box?
Most have the last two lines that read: Foreign, Two Cents. As do the 1908's and 09's. A very few 1907's have: Foreign, Two Cents. Is this the earlier issue of the 1907's?? Last edited by sb1; 09-26-2020 at 09:50 AM. |
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After more searching there are two distinct printing of the 1907 Dietsche, one with each box above. The other changes are in the text. If this is old news, my apologies, but which format came first??
Here are two examples of Cobb.... |
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The variations are known, from my experience the top one came first and is tougher. This is only based on how often each comes up for sale however.
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My Fielding Cobb has the two lines: Foreign
Two Cents The smaller print is also on my fielding version. Not sure if they come both ways. Since fielding is supposed to be early, then the above probably was first printing variation.
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That's a good point, the bottom one probably came first but the top is a little tougher.
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You would think that the Cobb Fielding back would be the first one produced, but it appears to only come with the lower pic, smaller text back.
So did the Cobb Fielding really come first or was it issued in between the other two print runs??? The large font upper image shown is definitely tougher by number of internet images. |
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Scott - as mentioned, the two different backs are known. Every card in the 1907 set is known with both backs, with the exception of the Cobb fielding which I have only seen with the biography in smaller print, which also has the stamp box that reads:
Foreign, Two Cents AFAIK, the Dietsche postcards were first announced on October 1, 1907 in newspaper ads. One of the ads specifically states that there are 15 cards in the full set. There is a photo of a display dated October 05, 1907 picturing a set of 15 with a Cobb fielding, so I have always assumed that that version was issued first. Last edited by Baseball Rarities; 09-26-2020 at 02:47 PM. |
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Thanks Kevin.
The one thing that goes against the fine print coming first is that all of the 1908's and 09's I have found, all have the fine print as well. Which would lead one to believe that the larger print came first? Could the larger print set have been issued mid summer and then the fine print later in the year, which would perhaps solve why the Fielding is so rare, not because it was issued first, but because it was put near the end of the season. Last edited by sb1; 09-26-2020 at 03:57 PM. |
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Interesting discussion, I have nothing to add other than that I wish I bought more of these when they were reasonably priced. My one and only fielding pose conforms to what has been mentioned.
Mike... that article is fantastic!!! Surprising there are not more of the fielding pose around if lots of sets were giving out for free maybe McGraw never got back deitsche?? Last edited by ullmandds; 09-26-2020 at 05:13 PM. |
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The postal rate won't help.
The rate for postcards was first set lower than the rate for a letter in 1898. It stayed at 1cent from then till 1 April 1925, except for during WWI when it was raised to 2c to help pay for the war. (Nov2, 1917 to June 30, 1919. I haven't found the exact details, but the rate for international mail of all types was stable by 1907. I would expect the international postcard rate to have been set at 2c and not changed for anything except WWI until 1925 as well. I would expect the "place stamp here" to be earlier. 1907 was near the beginning of divided back postcards, before that one side was for the address and the other for the picture and message. Other countries like France would often have the stamp on the image side. |
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Don’t they both say “place stamp here?”
Last edited by robertsmithnocure; 09-27-2020 at 01:49 AM. |
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This website is a great reference for dating postcards....
https://www.playle.com/realphoto/photoa.php
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The question is not when the postcards/stamp box was issued, but in which order did Dietsche issue the different backs, which have differences in the players text as well as the stamp box.
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DOH! they certainly do ..
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I have a Crawford that has his name in white text at the bottom? Any knowledge to share here about that variation?
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