Need Help Identifying RPPC

[DixieBaseball]

Calling all Cleveland Naps or RPPC Experts :

If anyone can offer up any opinions on the year this was taken, what team, etc. I would appreciate any comments. I believe I have identified the player as Harry Bay, but not real sure this is from his Cleveland days of 02-07. It may be from his later minor league playing days of 08-11. (Harry is depicted in T206 set with Nashville) Maybe the outfield wall can lend a clue. (309 ft) There is no markings on the uni of any kind. The Real Photo Post Card was sold as Unknown Minor League player and possibly some RPPC expert can tell by the date on the reverse/company, etc.
Thanks for any opinions -

[fkw]

I know it doesnt help much in pinpointing a year....That Cyko back is said to be from 1904-1920s

http://www.playle.com/realphoto/phot...fgsfte689t77l6

I have a couple Babe Ruth PC with the same stampbox.

[bmarlowe1]

It's a nice photo - but it definitely is not Harry Bay.

1) The tip of Bay's nose is very broad - the nose tip of the guy in your photo is much more pointy

2) Bay has a pretty much horizontal crease across his chin. The player in your photo has a crease with sort of an inverted "U" shape.

3) Compare the size of the right ear (viewer's left) of your guy with that of Bay in the photo below left - your guy's ear is clearly too big.

Either one of these is alone enough to show that he is not Bay. There are other mismatches - but these are the most easily seen.

"Unknown minor league player" sounds right.

[DixieBaseball]

Thanks Frank for Identifying the Brand of PC... That is helpful.

BMarlowe - Thanks for your opinion, but I still respectfully disagree as I don't think it is as obvious as you say... The RPPC is further away than your up close mug shots which look a bit different themselves and one is pretty grainy and they are both shot at angle. If you look closely at the RPPC, he has a horizontal line across the chin, and his ears both flap outward and up just like the mug shots and I don't agree that his ears are much larger. I do think the ears might be larger, but the angle of the mug shots don't lend themselves to really compare size in my opinion. They lend more on the direction of the ears that point out and up. As far as his nose, I believe that is b/c the photo is far away. Bring it in as a mug shot and it becomes a bigger nose like the mug shots.(Even the mug shots show a pointy nose that gets big at the bottom) I do appreciate your opinion, but I don't think anything is that conclusive. It may not be Harry Bay, but it sure does look like him and the close beaty eyes, outward flapping ears, small mouth, horizontal line on chin, all tell me it looks more like him than not. It might be his cousin, Larry Ray...

[bmarlowe1]

Jeremy - nothing you have said makes any sense. I can't help you if you can't see the difference between a horizontal line and an upside down "U". The chin structure of these 2 guys is overall very different - I just picked up on the most easily seen characteristic. There is nothing about the angle of the left photo I posted and your photo that would make Bay's right ear look smaller in mine than on yours.

>>"The RPPC is further away than your up close mug shots...Bring it in as a mug shot and it becomes a bigger nose like the mug shots."

The "grainy" photo of Bay I posted (which is still much more clear than what you posted) is from a team photo and was taken from "far away". In either case, this makes absolutely no difference with respect to the any of the issues raised.

The subject of which you speak is called "photogrammetry" - I suggest you obtain "the Manual of Photogrammetry" (available from the ASPRS website) and spend some time studying - this is a science that does not lend itself to shooting from the hip. Another helpful though less rigorous book is called "Photo Fakery" by Dino Brugioni - founder of the CIA's photo analysis division - it has some nice basics on facial identification.

After 2 Library of Congress photo projects and numerous articles on this subject - I am at least right about one thing - this isn't Harry Bay.

The photos below were taken from virtually the same angle and have been properly resized based on eyeball spacing.

[Brian Campf]

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