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Old 10-30-2014, 07:21 AM
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Default The "Very Good Hall of Fame"

Net 54 cyber-hall for the players and others who may not be quite HOF quality.
You can also demote HOF'ers who may not be deserving.

My 2014 nominations:

Dale Murphy
Curt Flood
Bill Mazeroski (demoted)
Morgan G. Bulkeley (demoted)


Your nominations welcome.

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Old 10-30-2014, 08:12 AM
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I nominate:

Don Mattingly
Larry Walker
Tim Hudson
Mike Messina
Bernie Williams
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Old 10-30-2014, 08:51 AM
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Fred McGriff
Dwight Evans
Allen Trammell
Albert Belle
Jack Morris

Also agree on Murphy and Walker

Demote - Phil Rizzuto
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al oliver
rusty staub
vada pinson
ken boyer

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rube marquard
lou boudreau
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Andre Dawson
Bert Blyleven
Ozzie Smith
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Rocky Colavito
Tony Oliva
Dick Allen
Dale Murphy

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Rizzuto
Mazeroski
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I nominate:

Don Mattingly
Larry Walker
Tim Hudson
Mike Messina
Bernie Williams
Those are some very good and often overlooked players. Especially Bernie. People forget how good he was because Jeter got all of the attention.
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With heavy Dodger bias, I nominate:
Steve Garvey
Pete Rose
Joe Jackson
Kirk Gibson
Orel Hershiser
Dale Murphy

Dump:
Tony LaRussa
Ford Frick
20-30 guys at about the George Kell level

Right now, the HOF has 240 players and 300+ members overall. This feels too big. My gut is that a Hall of Famer is the kind of player who comes around only once every 2-3 years. If we take the 125 years from 1876-2000 as when potential HOFers would have made their debut, that would make only about 50 HOFers, plus perhaps 5 active players on their way.

I suspect my "every 2-3 years" criterion seems severe, and I would be okay with "every year." Still, it bothers me to think that among each year's rookie class, with perhaps an average of 2-3 guys making their teams each year, that 2 or more are likely HOFers.

And yes, my nominations list above presumes today's more-the-merrier approach rather than the more draconian angle I preach.
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Jim Edmunds
Dave Parker
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Ted Simmons
Dave Concepcion
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Old 11-06-2014, 11:49 AM
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I would also like to nominate:

Ellis Burks
Moises Alou
Tim Salmon
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I would also like to nominate:

Ellis Burks
Moises Alou
Tim Salmon
Tim Salmon? .282 AVG, 299 HR, 1,016 RBI. Never even an All Star. Not once.

Those numbers would be pedestrian in any era. But in one of the greatest offensive eras in history, he puts up those numbers? He's nowhere close to being a Hall of Famer.

Moises Alou. Numbers are a little better, but never led the league in a single statistical category. No.

Ellis Burks? One top ten MVP finish, and that was a season he hit .344 AVG, 40 HR and 128 RBI....in Colorado. Two other top 20 MVP votes in 18 seasons. Two time All Star.

None of these guys are even close to being Hall of Fame worthy.
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Ted Simmons
Al Oliver
Allen Tramell
Lou Whitaker
Dale Murphy
Keith Hernandez
Chili Davis
Mark Grace
John Olerud
Lee Smith
Dwight Evans
Vada Pinson
Jack Morris

Being interesting to have someone actually create a poll for this and see who gets elected!
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Right now, the HOF has 240 players and 300+ members overall. This feels too big. My gut is that a Hall of Famer is the kind of player who comes around only once every 2-3 years. If we take the 125 years from 1876-2000 as when potential HOFers would have made their debut, that would make only about 50 HOFers, plus perhaps 5 active players on their way.
I don't care how many are in - it's the quality that bugs me.

1996 was a great year for voting - they couldn't come up with a single person to elect, yet six of the ones voted on eventually made it. What does that say? Choices in future years were so awful that they eventually felt compelled to let these guys in anyway? Uggh.

One year Jim Kaat was way ahead of Blyleven, yet Blyleven eventually got voted in?
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Nominate:

Bill Dahlen
Tony Oliva

Demote:

Marquard
Tinker
Chance
Haines
Bottomly
Bancroft
and basically everyone else that Frankie Frisch pushed through...
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Andy Van Slyke
Dick Groat
Babe Adams

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I nominate "Colby" Jack Coombs, pitcher for the Philadelphia A's and the Brooklyn Robins. If you are unfamiliar with Jack, or doubt the merits of this sometimes great pitcher, please take a few minutes and look him up on Wikipedia and Baseball Reference.com.

The gentleman put up some staggering numbers and achievements as a member of Mr. Mack's superb teams back then. Trust me; you shan't fail to be impressed. ---Brian Powell

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Demotions (not to be confused with de Temptations):

Clearance Sale?

None of the following deserve induction more than Minnie Minoso (IMHO)

Lou Boudreau
Jim Bunning
Frank Chance
Jack Chesbro
Stan Coveleski
Don Drysdale
Johnny Evers
Red Faber
Elmer Flick
Rick Ferrell
Joe Gordon
Jesse Haines
Hughie Jennings
George Kell
George Kelly
Chuck Klein
Fred Lindstrom
Ernie Lombardi
Ted Lyons
Rube Marquard
Bill Mazeroski
Tommy MCarthy
Peewee Reese
Phil Rizzuto
Red Ruffing
Ray Schalk
Enos Slaughter
Bruce Sutter
Joe Tinker
Ed Walsh
Lloyd Waner
Vic Willis
Hack Wilson
Dave Winfield
Ross Youngs
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Demotions (not to be confused with de Temptations):

Clearance Sale?

None of the following deserve induction more than Minnie Minoso (IMHO)

Lou Boudreau
Jim Bunning
Frank Chance
Jack Chesbro
Stan Coveleski
Don Drysdale
Johnny Evers
Red Faber
Elmer Flick
Rick Ferrell
Joe Gordon
Jesse Haines
Hughie Jennings
George Kell
George Kelly
Chuck Klein
Fred Lindstrom
Ernie Lombardi
Ted Lyons
Rube Marquard
Bill Mazeroski
Tommy MCarthy
Peewee Reese
Phil Rizzuto
Red Ruffing
Ray Schalk
Enos Slaughter
Bruce Sutter
Joe Tinker
Ed Walsh
Lloyd Waner
Vic Willis
Hack Wilson
Dave Winfield
Ross Youngs
If remove all those guys from the Hall you just killed a lot of value in the T206 set...

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Negative! They are still beautiful 103-year-old pieces of history!
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