card saving inception dates?

[begsu1013]

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[Leon]

Scrapbooks have been used forever....mixed results obviously.

[bigtrain]

Not really sure. I was not an avid collector of cards before 1990 or so but I remember seeing a nice 1952 Topps Mantle at show around that time and it was in the first screwdown I had ever seen.

[vintagesportscollector]

In the '70s and '80s I was using 9 pocket pages in binders. I was pretty much doing the same thing with my coins and stamps at the time too. I don't recall penny sleeves and top loaders until the '90s.

[begsu1013]

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[Howe’s Hunter]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

i used the 9 pocket pages too.

ball park, when did those come out?

My mom got me a complete set of Topps for Christmas in 1984, and told me to either take it and the complete sets I'd left at home as a kid (1972-74), home with me or she was going to pitch them all. I found a binder that came with enough pages to put a compete set in in the JC Penney Christmas catalog right after that. So at least before Christmas, 1984.

[Pilot172000]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

i used the 9 pocket pages too.

ball park, when did those come out?

Going from the shoe box to a 9 pocket binder was was big time when I got some for Christmas in 89.

[begsu1013]

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[Pilot172000]

Along the same lines, but when did people start to actually pay for cards they didn't pick out of a pack of gum or pack of Cigs?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

i remember the walmart wagner tour and the screwdown that thing was in!

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The Wagner was graded already when Walmart had it.

[btcarfagno]

Penny sleeves were around by 1986/87 for sure. Top loaders maybe a year or two after that. Screw down holders were around by this time as well.

I also remember a short period of time in the early 1990's where someone had come out with a plastic holder that was supposed to take the place of the screwdown. This new holder had like a little snap at the bottom that would open it up. Seemed like a neat idea, but I don't think it was very good at keeping the card from moving around while it was inside.

The nine pocket pages I definitely remember n the early 1980's.

Remember these?



I think I got mine directly from Topps. It opened up and there were slots to put the cards inside in team order. Also came with stickers with the names of the teams. This thing was "it" in my life at the time. I had hit the big time when this bad boy arrived.

Tom C

[ajquigs]

I used the pages my mom had for photos around 1979-80. She'd buy me 9 pocket pages when she ordered the various sizes she needed for her albums. I still have a good number of non-prime cards in pages from those days and the cards are well preserved. I'm pretty sure the pages were non-acidic, etc and maintain the cards nicely. The occasional sheet has puckered a bit, but most are fine.
The other protection devices from that time that I remember are screw downs and a version of a snap case. Both of those were worse for the cards than sheets, but dealers would often use them to highlight some of their more expensive cards.

[Cozumeleno]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

Remember these?



I think I got mine directly from Topps. It opened up and there were slots to put the cards inside in team order. Also came with stickers with the names of the teams. This thing was "it" in my life at the time. I had hit the big time when this bad boy arrived.

Tom C

I had this one. Same deal with team stickers that you put inside to categorize by team. For all intents and purposes, this was my bank vault for all of those valuable 1988 Topps cards.

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

Remember these?



I think I got mine directly from Topps. It opened up and there were slots to put the cards inside in team order. Also came with stickers with the names of the teams. This thing was "it" in my life at the time. I had hit the big time when this bad boy arrived.

We had those in the mid-to-late '70s.

[midmo]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

Remember these?



Tom C

Nice. I had that locker too. Got mine directly from Topps in '80 or '81 I think. Most of my good cards were in pages/albums then. There were some type of individual sleeves back then because my local card shop had a huge corkboard wall behind the counter that he pinned cards to. Although he might have just cut pages up. The memory is a little foggy.

[begsu1013]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

psa was not around in '88.

inconceivable that there mighta been 2 tours?

or walmart got the idea to buy that one after they saw the numbers that were brought in to see it?

Gretzky sold to Walmart in 1995. The card was graded in 1991. I have no idea about 1988. What are you saying happened in 1988, I thought it was in Copeland's private collection at that point, did it go on tour?

[trdcrdkid]

Plastic pages were prevalent at shows by 1975, to judge by the pictures in SCD and the ads for the pages that were all over SCD then. Not sure when they were introduced specifically for baseball cards, but my guess is the early 70s. I'm sure i could pinpoint it more exactly if i triied. I remember around 1980 there was a big to-do in the hobby about how the PVC used in plastic pages up to that time could damage cards long term, and the shift to non-PVC pages (which have been standard since then.

[DHogan]

When I started collecting around 1990 or so, the were 9 pocket pages. They were not as good as todays Ultra Pro pages. The cards are all stuck solid in the pages now.

[Pilot172000]

Originally Posted by DHogan

When I started collecting around 1990 or so, the were 9 pocket pages. They were not as good as todays Ultra Pro pages. The cards are all stuck solid in the pages now.

This begs the question, how long will a PSA or SGC graded case last? Will the plastic do any harm to the cards?

[Vintagevault13]

Irv,

The Pro-Mold vintage holders actually do have corner cutouts so they are protected. I bought a couple of the holders but didn't care for them because the screw didn't close the case very tightly. I know you don't want to use toploaders, but IMO a penny sleeve/toploader/team bag combination for valuable cards is plenty safe if you decide not to go the graded route.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Vintagevault13

Irv,

The Pro-Mold vintage holders actually do have corner cutouts so they are protected. I bought a couple of the holders but didn't care for them because the screw didn't close the case very tightly. I know you don't want to use toploaders, but IMO a penny sleeve/toploader/team bag combination for valuable cards is plenty safe if you decide not to go the graded route.

Thanks for the info, Ed.

I assume the sleeve/top loader/team bags have specific sizes? I purchased all my top loaders years ago and if I recall correctly, they were all the same size back then?

I may go your route for my other cards instead of placing them all in the Pro Mold holders but I think I will order up a few anyways just to give them a try.

Glad to hear they do have corner cutouts, that will be a bonus.

Thanks again.

[Vintagevault13]

Originally Posted by irv

Thanks for the info, Ed.



I assume the sleeve/top loader/team bags have specific sizes? I purchased all my top loaders years ago and if I recall correctly, they were all the same size back then?



I may go your route for my other cards instead of placing them all in the Pro Mold holders but I think I will order up a few anyways just to give them a try.



Glad to hear they do have corner cutouts, that will be a bonus.



Thanks again.

Ultra Pro makes sleeves and toploaders specifically for Vintage (52-56) Topps cards. Search "Ultra Pro Vintage Toploaders" on eBay. They work great. A regular team bag will fit if you choose to use them.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Vintagevault13

Irv,

The Pro-Mold vintage holders actually do have corner cutouts so they are protected. I bought a couple of the holders but didn't care for them because the screw didn't close the case very tightly. I know you don't want to use toploaders, but IMO a penny sleeve/toploader/team bag combination for valuable cards is plenty safe if you decide not to go the graded route.

Good to know they changed them at some point. Obviously it's been a long time since I bought any.

I store most of my nicer cards in toploaders, with a penny sleeve if the card is nice enough. Without if it's already got soft corners.

I'm not really quick at changing, I think I've got cards still in nearly everything I've used since the early 80's. Including a big homemade screwdown holder I made for my one T3. (Probably one of the worst ones around, but fragile )

Steve B