Has anyone ever seen a T206 with Name, Team & Jersey lettering missing on Front?

[Mac927]

I am looking for pictures/scans for validation that these exist. A recently discovered T206 collection contained a card like this of a HOFer. Grading companies won't touch it with a 10 foot pole. If others like this are out there then that will help with getting this card in a slab. I figured if they do exist collectors in this forum would most definitely have some in their collection. Considering there are an estimated 2-5 million T206s in existence today there has to be others like it. Thank you.

[swarmee]

Sounds like it might have missed the brown color pass, and therefore would be considered a scrap or a factory printing error. If that's the case, the best you'll get from most companies is an Authentic with one noting the peculiarities on the flip so people realize that it's a scrap.

Other questions:
1) Was it soaked out of a scrapbook?
2) Is there any damage to the area where the name and team would be that could indicate it was rubbed off?
3) Is the team logo brown?

[x2drich2000]

Since you indicate the grading companies won't touch it, what exactly did they say when you tried to submit it? Did they say it is altered? questionable authenticity? I would recommend posting a clear scan of the front and back as members on this board are far more knowledgeable about T206s than the grading companies.

Here is thread with a few scans discussing missing name/team designations. http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=191524

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Mac927

I am looking for pictures/scans for validation that these exist. A recently discovered T206 collection contained a card like this of a HOFer. Grading companies won't touch it with a 10 foot pole. If others like this are out there then that will help with getting this card in a slab. I figured if they do exist collectors in this forum would most definitely have some in their collection. Considering there are an estimated 2-5 million T206s in existence today there has to be others like it. Thank you.

Have a AH submit it, seriously I have seen this work more than once.

Most grading companies won't touch them because people were altering them and they can't tell the difference between a altered one and a real one.

Post some pictures.

[swarmee]

Should have also asked the question of which back it has. If it's a scrap, it's likely there are other known ones with the same back.

[ullmandds]

I used to own this one I was able to get graded...with some forensic help from david...although it does not appear to have missed a brown pass was just missing the name and team in the sub caption.

[RCMcKenzie]

Here's an old thread on T206 populations. I'd guess there are between 1 and 2 million. 5 million T206 would mean there are 3.5 million in non-collector hands.
www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=85496

Here's a captionless Hannifan that would grade MC...

[Luke]

You should post the card if you can. There are a few reasons why this could have happened and most are post-factory alterations. If you have a legit one, that would be cool to see.

[danmckee]

Yes I have one at least one maybe 2. One of my proofs have no team or name as well

Dan Mckee

[Mac927]

Dan,

Can you post a picture of the 2 you have? Are they slabbed or raw? I'm curious the grading company if slabbed. I am determined to get it in a holder with a numerical grade if possible as the card I have is not scrap or hand cut.

My pictures should be posted this week after I get my hi res scans.

Thank you everyone for your input so far

[drcy]

Originally Posted by Mac927

Dan,

Can you post a picture of the 2 you have? Are they slabbed or raw? I'm curious the grading company if slabbed. I am determined to get it in a holder with a numerical grade if possible as the card I have is not scrap or hand cut.

My pictures should be posted this week after I get my hi res scans.

Thank you everyone for your input so far

If it's legit, I think the grading company, at least, would want secondary opinion before grading it. With the card mentioned earlier in the thread, PSA graded it when outside opinion said it was legit.

For Peter's card, he sent to Scott F and I to examine, we posted our opinion and the PSA graded it.

Here's the auction link:

I'm not the expert on the printing order, but I do believe the "caption" at the bottom of the card was printed separately from the other printing.

[Luke]

Bryan and David, can you guys post an example of a card that makes you think the caption was printed at a different time?

I haven't spent a ton of time thinking about this topic, but the "caption jump" cards make me think the brown color pass was all done at the same time. My Duffy and (I believe) Johnny's Randall as examples.

[Sean]

Sorry for the sideways scan, but I can't get the new computer to work with this site. Here's a card where the brown was printed on the back, along with the caption:

IMG_1534.jpg

[drcy]

Originally Posted by Luke

Bryan and David, can you guys post an example of a card that makes you think the caption was printed at a different time?

I haven't spent a ton of time thinking about this topic, but the "caption jump" cards make me think the brown color pass was all done at the same time. My Duffy and (I believe) Johnny's Randall as examples.

I don't know, and said I don't know. If someone who knows says I was incorrect, they know.

[Jobu]

Hey Luke,

I think the brown was printed both ways - separately and as part of the full brown layer. I now think I was wrong on the frequency of those two methods (caption printed together with the rest of the layer seems to be more frequent from the errors that I see), but I think they both happened.

The Alperman proof has no name but appears to have the brown (though it is missing the rose/peach). Merkle has a high and crooked caption with the rest of the registration ok. (JV will recognize these ). Atz has the brown layer way off but the caption is where it ought to be.

Originally Posted by Luke

Bryan and David, can you guys post an example of a card that makes you think the caption was printed at a different time?

I haven't spent a ton of time thinking about this topic, but the "caption jump" cards make me think the brown color pass was all done at the same time. My Duffy and (I believe) Johnny's Randall as examples.