Name that card...T213-2 sheet layout and distribution by year

[RCMcKenzie]

Here's a miscut T213-2 Art Fromme that shows a portion of another card. The dark blue makes me think of Red Murray. From their stats page via baseball reference, Murray played for the NY Giants in 1914, the Giants and Cubs in 1915, and the Toronto Maple Leafs in 1916.

The T213-2 set contains 3 Murrays...a 1914 NY, 1915 Chicago, and a Kansas City card. I can't find a record of Murray playing for KC. An error card, or maybe someone has info on Murray playing for KC.

Art Fromme played for the Giants in 1914 and part of 1915. He played for Vernon from 1915-1921. Fromme only has one card in T213-2 featured as a New York Giant.

Are the two images on the m/c card from 1914 and does it mean that T213-2 cards were grouped by team on a sheet in 1914?

[buymycards]

Baseball reference doesn't show Murray playing for KC. Murray is the only card in the set that has that deep blue color. Speaker, Schaefer, and Wiltse are close, but they are a little lighter.

[RCMcKenzie]

Thanks for posting Murray KC, Rick. I don't think I've actually seen one before. It's been a card on a checklist for a while.

I think it's interesting that the issuers did not make an update for Fromme with the Vernon designation as they did for Quinn, or Murray with Toronto as they did for Jordan and Kelley.

[buymycards]

There is also Germany Schaefer with a Kansas City caption, and I don't see any info that he played for KC.

[RCMcKenzie]

Here's another interesting card of Elberfeld of the Brooklyn Robins. He last played for them in 1914 and went to Chattanooga in 1915 and 1916, for which he also has a card. The card on top is Hoblitzell Boston Amer. I could not find him on their roster for any year. Both these cards are 1914 cards because of Elberfeld's leaving Brooklyn after the 1914 season.

Hoblitzell is shown in baseball reference to have 1000 plate appearences in 1914 for Toronto, Cincy, and Boston Nats, which seems incorrect. He played for Braves for 1915 and 1916 as well.

Anyone else feel free to chime in with miscut T213, questions or answers. Rob

[tedzan]

Hi Rob

Here's some interesting trivia regarding Ed Summers. His MLB career ended with Detroit in 1912.

Shown here is a 1914 COUPON (T213-2) card depicting Summers with the Brooklyn Tip Tops of the Federal League.

Definitely a No-No......Summers never pitched for this Brooklyn team.

However, Rudy Sommers was a pitcher for the Brooklyn Tip Tops in 1914. My guess is that American Lithographic mistook Summers for Sommers ? ?

What's your guess ?


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[RCMcKenzie]

Here's another miscut of what I call the "Donlin Tribute" or "Donlin Stats" card. He has a regular 1914 issue of his last year with the Giants. His "New York" card which is harder to find. I believe the stats or tribute card to be issued after he retired and as Lew Lipset points out in his catalog, Donlin hit .300 or better for more than 7 seasons and was one of the best players not in the HOF.

This card does not tell us much about the year of distribution, because Rucker played for the Robins in 1914, 1915, and 1916, so his card on top could be from any of those...

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Here's another interesting card of Elberfeld of the Brooklyn Robins. He last played for them in 1914 and went to Chattanooga in 1915 and 1916, for which he also has a card. The card on top is Hoblitzell Boston Amer. I could not find him on their roster for any year. Both these cards are 1914 cards because of Elberfeld's leaving Brooklyn after the 1914 season.

Hoblitzell is shown in baseball reference to have 1000 plate appearences in 1914 for Toronto, Cincy, and Boston Nats, which seems incorrect. He played for Braves for 1915 and 1916 as well.

Anyone else feel free to chime in with miscut T213, questions or answers. Rob

I just re-read this post, and notice a couple of things. Rob, Dick Hoblitzell played for the Red Sox but never for Boston N.L.,so there is a mistake. However and interestingly (to me any anyway), Hoblitzell was not acquired by Boston from Cinci until July 16, 1914, so if he is appearing on an Elberfeld card with Brooklyn, who only played there in 1914, either there was a late printing in 1914 or the miscut card was printed before Elberfeld joined Chattanooga in April 1915. I'm guessing the former, since Elberfeld was released by Brooklyn well before he signed with Chattanooga. However, since Hoblitzell also has a t213-2 card with the Reds, that would mean there are two different printings from 1914.