S/O to this eBay seller/ and whoever messed with it

[BKaufmann14]

I’m normally not someone to go some rants or tangents but this just annoys me. Assuming the seller is telling the somewhat truth, this just seems unethical to me. Either way this seller sucks, to me once I pay your BIN whether a good deal or not it should be binding. I have a good feeling that someone on the thread turned around and messed with as well (again assuming seller is not full of it.. has 100% so who knows). Would like to get some thoughts on this.

[trobba]

I'm a little confused.

First off, yes it would be unethical at the least to not accept your bid, pretty sure eBay rules say its a binding contract once the BIN is hit (outside of some obvious error in the listing).

And very odd for a seller who deals in sports cards and who in his description mentions how rare the card is and the pop report that he had no idea that the card was quite valuable. So, that doesn't jive to me.

I don't get where you say someone in this thread is messing with you, what does that mean?

Rob

[111gecko]

Originally Posted by trobba

I'm a little confused.

First off, yes it would be unethical at the least to not accept your bid, pretty sure eBay rules say its a binding contract once the BIN is hit (outside of some obvious error in the listing).

And very odd for a seller who deals in sports cards and who in his description mentions how rare the card is and the pop report that he had no idea that the card was quite valuable. So, that doesn't jive to me.

I don't get where you say someone in this thread is messing with you, what does that mean?

Rob

Same question on the thread..

[raulus]

RUN!

The odds are good that this seller doesn’t even own this item, and is just trying to get you to contact them offline to do an even bigger deal.

Either that, or they are trying to get you to bid against yourself.

Either way, you don’t want anything to do with this seller.

[BKaufmann14]

Originally Posted by trobba

I'm a little confused.

First off, yes it would be unethical at the least to not accept your bid, pretty sure eBay rules say its a binding contract once the BIN is hit (outside of some obvious error in the listing).

And very odd for a seller who deals in sports cards and who in his description mentions how rare the card is and the pop report that he had no idea that the card was quite valuable. So, that doesn't jive to me.

I don't get where you say someone in this thread is messing with you, what does that mean?

Rob

I’m just annoyed, but in the past it was someone who a member here. It is is what it is I have no idea but I’m just annoyed lol

[Leon]

Originally Posted by BKaufmann14

I’m just annoyed, but in the past it was someone who a member here. It is is what it is I have no idea but I’m just annoyed lol

Is it a rare back? The price is probably about right for a common one. I would file a report with Ebay. I don't think they allow what he did. I would show them the message too. Good luck!

[BKaufmann14]

Originally Posted by Leon

Is it a rare back? The price is probably about right for a common one. I would file a report with Ebay. I don't think they allow what he did. I would show them the message too. Good luck!

Cycle 460… was underpriced but not my fault they didn’t do the research on it. They posted the pop report to lol

[Leon]

Originally Posted by BKaufmann14

Cycle 460… was underpriced but not my fault they didn’t do the research on it. They posted the pop report to lol

That sucks. Yeah, if they knew enough to check a pop report you would think they would do just a little more googling to find the approximate value. And it could have been someone on here. Never, ever post an ebay buy until you have it in hand. This has happened so, so many times.
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[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by BKaufmann14

I’m just annoyed, but in the past it was someone who a member here. It is is what it is I have no idea but I’m just annoyed lol

Had you posted the auction here? It's a common theme that happens.


Also, ZERO, and I mean ZERO chance of anything aside from a Ebay slap on the wrist will happen.

[BKaufmann14]

I never posted that I won the card. Woke up to this message after I won it last night. I love this hobby

[Pat R]

That stinks Brett I've had it happen to me. There's a member who hardly ever posts that does this a lot (makes a higher offer on a card that has already sold below value) the funny thing is that he includes a business card when you purchase something from him with his email and if you contact him about a card he has listed on ebay through that email his reply is he only will only sell through ebay.

[mikecala98]

This:

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=329063

[doug.goodman]

I bought a ticket to the game where Mark McGwire hit #62 from a guy outside the stadium for $40. Shook hands. Pulled money out of my pocket and was handing it to him when somebody said "I'll give you $100" and the guy instantly turned around and sold it to that guy.

A few minutes late I bought this one for $25...

So sometimes it turns out ok, but that first guy is still an ***hole.

Doug "learning not to cuss online" Goodman

[Jewish-collector]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

I bought a ticket to the game where Mark McGwire hit #62 from a guy outside the stadium for $40. Shook hands. Pulled money out of my pocket and was handing it to him when somebody said "I'll give you $100" and the guy instantly turned around and sold it to that guy.

A few minutes late I bought this one for $25...

So sometimes it turns out ok, but that first guy is still an ***hole.

Doug "learning not to cuss online" Goodman

You should have told the seller to his face that he was an ***hole, and then dared him to do anything about it.

[Fred]

Is this the same card that was the subject of a thread earlier today indicating "congrats to somebody on ebay"? The thread has since been edited and the content removed.

I always thought a closed on auction on ebay was a binding contract. What does ebay do to winning bidders that don't follow through on a purchase?

If I were the family that consigned through the seller, I'd be concerned because who knows what else is going to be sold under priced.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Fred

I always thought a closed on auction on ebay was a binding contract. What does ebay do to winning bidders that don't follow through on a purchase?

They say that but I don't believe that's the case. I've had buyers not pay it's not clear to me that they do anything. Supposedly they give them an "unpaid item strike" (whatever that means) but there doesn't seem to be much transparency around that.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Jewish-collector

You should have told the seller to his face that he was an ***hole, and then dared him to do anything about it.

I told him considerably more than that...

[mrreality68]

Have you contacted eBay to see if there any recourse on this?
Or is that hopeless?

[Popcorn]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Have you contacted eBay to see if there any recourse on this?
Or is that hopeless?

If the seller backs out it’s over. eBay can’t make them go through with the transaction. A good idea would be to make any sale disappear after conclusion for 24-48hr so others can’t mess with it. It happens a lot, even with auctions.

[111gecko]

For us non-attorneys…maybe one of you that are can hop in:

Offer/acceptance/consideration..and a message verifying all of that and but still pulls out for a higher offer.
Is that possible?..I think of real estate and specific performance.

Appears a claim could be for thousands of dollars if pursued?? Would love insight just out of curiosity.

[111gecko]

Originally Posted by mikecala98

This:

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=329063

I'm starting to think the OP really isn't that concerned about the card sale itself, but more of if someone from this forum poached it. The screenshot message from the seller canceling is from the same time period it was posted here (12:41AM) for a "steal on EBay". (Probably time zone variables).

I agree that many of us have had similar situations on EBay but I don't blame the OP in wanting to know if that post led to someone here poaching it...

[todeen]

I can't say anything about the classless act that happened. But for the first time in my life I saw an ebay seller on Twitter say he was put on probation by Ebay. He posted generic pictures instead of pics of his actual card, and I guess he did it multiple times.

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[kaufmannb14]

I can tell you the username of who poached it. Cmonnow is the username.

Not that it matters but just so it’s out there

[Fred]

Uh, no Cmonnow is not the poacher. I know this for a fact because that is MY ebay ID.

In the last hour, I sent a message to the seller indicating I'd give the seller $10K for it just to see if the butt head would re-neg on the deal they made with the person that poached it. I had no intention of paying $10K for it, but it would have been funny as hell if the seller said "yes" and screwed the other person that screwed up the deal.

Who ever this kaufmannb14 or other Kaufmann (name in user-handle) is full of crap. Frigging troll to the board.

Where do these idiots come from?

[G1911]

Interesting.

[Popcorn]

the fact that someone can offer more cash for a sold item is a defect with eBay… I’ve been screwed from it many times so if a law suit happens lol please lmk

[Jcosta19]

Any updates to report?
Saw the card floating around on twitter.

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[kaufmannb14]

Plot twist is… seller made it right and lived 2 miles from me. Timelesssportscards on eBay was original poacher. Had to pay more than original buy but I’m happy and content and prob have a new hobby buddy. That’s the update was picked up this morning but this thread got so confusing didn’t want to post anymore

[Jcosta19]

Originally Posted by kaufmannb14

Plot twist is… seller made it right and lived 2 miles from me. Timelesssportscards on eBay was original poacher. Had to pay more than original buy but I’m happy and content and prob have a new hobby buddy. That’s the update was picked up this morning but this thread got so confusing didn’t want to post anymore

Congrats and glad it worked out!

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[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by kaufmannb14

Plot twist is… seller made it right and lived 2 miles from me. Timelesssportscards on eBay was original poacher. Had to pay more than original buy but I’m happy and content and prob have a new hobby buddy. That’s the update was picked up this morning but this thread got so confusing didn’t want to post anymore

I get it, plus the whole circumventing of Ebay. I wouldnt want to post either

[babraham]

Originally Posted by kaufmannb14

Plot twist is… seller made it right and lived 2 miles from me. Timelesssportscards on eBay was original poacher. Had to pay more than original buy but I’m happy and content and prob have a new hobby buddy. That’s the update was picked up this morning but this thread got so confusing didn’t want to post anymore

Congrats! Heck of a card, glad it worked out for you.

Looks like you still have two accounts...is one of them logged in on your phone and the other logged in on PC or something?

[kaufmannb14]

Yes you hit in the head. Usually I log into net54 on my laptop but I’m streaming NFL games all weekend and I guess created an account prior to my normal one so it automatically logs me in! I promise I’m not a scammer or this is my burner lol, after all both have kaufmann in them I’d be an idiot to make a burner with that 😂

[Leon]

Originally Posted by kaufmannb14

Yes you hit in the head. Usually I log into net54 on my laptop but I’m streaming NFL games all weekend and I guess created an account prior to my normal one so it automatically logs me in! I promise I’m not a scammer or this is my burner lol, after all both have kaufmann in them I’d be an idiot to make a burner with that ��

So can you help me understand what you meant here in one of our emails? (read bottom one first)



-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Kaufmann
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2022 11:15 AM
To: leonl@flash.net
Subject: Re: Banned?

Yes

Sent from my iPhone


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2022, at 11:03 AM, leonl@flash.net wrote:
>
> So, your brother has the opposite id of you, and that's him posting? I am old and get confused easily..
>

-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Kaufmann
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2022 10:37 AM
To: leonl@flash.net
Subject: Re: Banned?

I mean I have no idea about this other account. The site has been acting weird for me. Just seems pretty rash to just ban me and my brother without even talking to us. I’ve developed a decent reputation over last couple years and somehow I get banned, but this Fred guy who just admitted to trying to poach the seller after I’d been shafted isn’t banned. Can you just ban the kaufmannb14 one. I like never even start threads this one just annoyed me yesterday so I posted still not sure what I did wrong.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2022, at 8:14 AM, leonl@flash.net wrote:
>
> I will look into it. But This would be like me having Luckey7 and someone else being 7Luckey, with the same area code........good chance they are the same. And then there is that 3rd Kaufmann from the same area? .....I am sure you bid in those auctions and I have contacts at each one I can check.
> Don't you think it's strange that someone from your zip code has the same id but backwards and is commenting in your thread? What are the odds? I am sure you at least see my point.
>
> LL


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[todeen]

I have had problems logging into Net54 on my laptop for about two years. My cellphone was 100% reliable thru Tapatalk. Laptop version on regular internet made me make a new password many times, and refuses to accept the new passwords I created. Super frustrating. I finally got my laptop issuses settled a month ago. So I totally understand the possibility of having two accounts.

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[Leon]

More feedback from extremely trusted members and the OP, his brother, and any other aliases, gone. Not even a question, and had I known this information before, the OP would have been banned before this thread was started.
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