PSA Folded my Item to fit in their Holder?!

[Maxjacks]

I just wanted to share my PSA return and get all of your thoughts on what happened because I am quite upset. This is a payroll check from the Chicago Cubs to Larry Doyle, for whom I am a big collector. This is the only autograph I have ever seen where he signed his full name. I was quite excited to get it returned to me, only to find that my item was folded to fit inside the holder. I was not asked if I wanted this done, and certainly would have elected for a larger holder or to have my item returned to me loose.
Why is PSA Folding over items to fit in their holder? This is not simply a cut autograph, but the item itself is an artifact.
Am I justified in being upset? Is this on me for not knowing holder dimensions?

[Orioles1954]

Wow. That is actually pretty shocking.

[hammertime]

Absolutely no way that should've been done without your approval.

[Steve D]

No way should PSA have folded that check; especially considering the fold essentially ruins the signature of Charles Weeghman, who was the Cubs' team owner who built Wrigley Field.

Steve

[taul166]

This should not have happened.

[BRoberts]

If this is as it appears, I am stunned.

[Beercan collector]

They must have a bunch of people there that don’t know what they’re doing

[theshowandme]

Max, this is insane. I would contact Nat Turner and Ryan Hoge via Twitter & Instagram if I were you.

Sorry this happened to you.

[edtiques]

WOW!!! That's insane that they did that!! What were they thinking? That's causing damage to your check! I'm sorry they did this to you. I really hope that you jump on them about it. They shouldn't be able to do that and get away with it.

[MantleMarisFordBerra]

[calvindog]

This is hilarious. I’d crack that open asap.

[imdaman1964]

Omg

[nwobhm]

WOW !!!

(P)erpetually (S)enseless (A)sswipes

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by calvindog

This is hilarious. I’d crack that open asap.

Out of all the words you could have chosen, you chose hilarious?

[ullmandds]

atrocious! sorry this happened to you!

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

Out of all the words you could have chosen, you chose hilarious?

That was the first word that came to my mind, too.

[Swadewade51]

Wow, don't let them get away with crediting you for the transaction. You deserve a full refund and more, cash.

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[MVSNYC]

I literally just said out loud... "Well, that's f*ckin' ridiculous."

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Maxjacks

Am I justified in being upset?

Yes. Contact a lawyer and sue PSA for damages.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Yes. Contact a lawyer and sue PSA for damages.

Maybe contacting PSA first would be worth doing before spending money on a lawyer.

[GasHouseGang]

I can't believe they did that. They should have just sent it back and said, "could not holder".

[iwantitiwinit]

Total and absolute bull$hit. I smell lawsuit.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Yes. Contact a lawyer and sue PSA for damages.

What are the damages? $300,000? Or $75? I’m sure the lawyers will be lining up around the block for this case.

[GrayGhost]

Awful. So sorry

[tjisonline]

Originally Posted by calvindog

What are the damages? $300,000? Or $75? I’m sure the lawyers will be lining up around the block for this case.

Jeff, def hard to out a value on this. What would you recommend if this was your item given the 2 signatures & background

[Zach Wheat]

I thought your post was going to be about a T201 double folder! Sorry, folding over a check, shouldn't have happened

[tiger8mush]

Was there an existing crease/fold line where they folded it? Or did they add a new crease to the check?

Hopefully no new damage was caused and they will re-holder into an appropriately sized slab.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by tjisonline

Jeff, def hard to out a value on this. What would you recommend if this was your item given the 2 signatures & background

Nat Turner is not only a crazed collector like all of us, but he seems to be a decent guy. I suspect he’d work with the OP on this towards a fair result. Other than the idiot who slabbed the check, no one wants to see this happen to a collectible.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by calvindog

What are the damages? $300,000? Or $75? I’m sure the lawyers will be lining up around the block for this case.

Yeah, I will take on contingency for 1/3 of the $75. Huge piece of new business.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Yeah, I will take on contingency for 1/3 of the $75. Huge piece of new business.

Ya'll can laugh it off but it's still effed up.

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[Yoda]

When PSA accepts an item submitted to them, they become under law a bailee. As such, they cannot change or alter any item without the permission of the consignor. IMO PSA is clearly negligent when they so carelessly stuffed your beloved Doyle check into a holder too small for the job. The Bailees Liability Law in your state backs you up.
PSA has failed you and you should seek restitution.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Yes. Contact a lawyer and sue PSA for damages.

But where is he going to find a lawyer? (he says with a smirk)

Yes, that is definitely something that erased a good amount of value, imo. That is a total mistake on their part and you should be compensated. I say you should be given your full purchase price of the check and a refund on all grading/shipping fees.

[4815162342]

I was horrified first reading this thread. This morning, I was horrified again when the YouTube algorithm suggested your video:

https://youtu.be/NuCQY7D-Sag?si=gwbdYkypbniXiGht

I’m very sorry this happened to you, and I hope you are made whole.

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

I was horrified first reading this thread. This morning, I was horrified again when the YouTube algorithm suggested your video:

https://youtu.be/NuCQY7D-Sag?si=gwbdYkypbniXiGht

I’m very sorry this happened to you, and I hope you are made whole.

That was like watching a horror film

[Stampsfan]

Also, back your original post, I do not think it is up to you to know all their slab sizes.

[conor912]

The folding is extraordinarily bad in itself, but the choosing to fold through the signature is a special kind of stupid. As a business owner, that person would be immediately let go for such horrible judgment. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.

[Eric72]

This is one of the most egregious hobby-related things I've ever seen.

[jayshum]

Question to the OP. It's been 3 days since your original post. Have you actually tried contacting PSA about this? If so, any response from them or attempt by them to make things right?

[Maxjacks]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Question to the OP. It's been 3 days since your original post. Have you actually tried contacting PSA about this? If so, any response from them or attempt by them to make things right?

I will say that the wheels are in motion, I will be sure to update when I have a firm and complete understanding of what will be happening.

[edjs]

I would think a paper conservatory service could fix that. PSA should pay for the repairs. It was folded before, bad on whoever at PSA did it, but it was previously creased. The damage is done, try to make it better. I would be mortified, I would expect better, but hey, some workman started Notre Dame on fire. At least this can be salvaged.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by edjs

I would think a paper conservatory service could fix that. PSA should pay for the repairs. It was folded before, bad on whoever at PSA did it, but it was previously creased. The damage is done, try to make it better. I would be mortified, I would expect better, but hey, some workman started Notre Dame on fire. At least this can be salvaged.

Has OP said it was previously creased? If so, I missed it.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Has OP said it was previously creased? If so, I missed it.

Based on the crease lines already visible, I’d wager it was.

Not to excuse the hack job of a slab job they did on the piece.

I’d guess whoever slabbed it, spied the crease in the check, and took the lazy way out, and folded it over instead of looking for another properly sized casket, to lay the check into its final resting place.