NO LONGER CURIOUS... thx for feedback

[Belfast1933]

Plenty of feedback received now... not pleasant but helpful. I'm open to continuing discussions 1-1 with anyone who's willing to do so.

Thx -
Jeff

[ALBB]

Yea,
Ive seen and noticed that also on the site at times,

Often, its just a guys comment that might be a bit " against the grain " , and it quickly becomes a 20+ back and forth " posting war "with others

Im quite sure it would never happen face to face/ in person

[ClementeFanOh]

Albert- Bingo! It's a wonderful thing that the snarks are in a minority. They
do their best to compensate with anger, or utter unwillingness to comment on
the nature of a post so long as they can get some jab in, and pleas that
they aren't the instigators when they, well, clearly are... These clowns are
all "Twitter muscle", and their value is only in their own minds. Trent King

[philliesfan]

I agree with you. We need the new comers to just ignore the few grumps and enjoy the forum and the hobby.

To me it is easy to ignore the grumps......I have a lot of practice as I am married haha. Just kidding.

Life is too short to be unpleasant all the time. It takes more effort to frown than it is to smile.

So just enjoy life and the hobby everyone!

Bob

[NiceDocter]

It’s the baseball card collecting version of Road Rage

[Leon]

Is this place any worse than FB or any of the other socials, in this respect? I think not.
If any member feels that someone follows them around giving them a hard time, without provocation, give me a PM and we can ask them to stop.
.

Gotta love the nose...

[Brent G.]

Originally Posted by Leon

Is this place any worse than FB or any of the other socials, in this respect? I think not.
If any member feels that someone follows them around giving them a hard time, without provocation, give me a PM and we can ask them to stop.
.

Gotta love the nose...

This place is my refuge from the vitriol of the outside world and all social media — I'm on here way more than I should be ... LOL. Are there some grumps and wise-asses, sure, but overall it's a great escape, source of education, and place of trustworthy commerce. I've seen Leon send cease-and-desists to members of 10+ years who cross the line, and while that's a rare occasion, the site's in great hands.

Sadly, we're now a society largely engaged in endless verbal combat, but it happens less here than about any other place online.

[SyrNy1960]

It's a part of life no matter what you're a part of. People are people, and we all think and see things differently at times. Some are more aggressive than others. Personally, I hate to see when people go at each other too hard. Cut throat, deep, nasty, saying hateful things to each other. Don't think it should ever elevate to that level. Haven't seen much of that lately, so that's a good thing.

[toledo_mudhen]

I don't know that I see what you are talking so much? Been on these boards for a long long time now and most of the dialogue I see is genuine back and forth on Cards, Personalities, and BST.

Not to say that if you want to start a snipe war that there wont be takers - just that my experience has been - If you dont start none then there wont be none.

N54 is by far my most favorite place to hang out early mornings and weekends (YEA I KNOW - GET A LIFE )

[OhioLawyerF5]

I notice far fewer angry people here than any other site I've been on. If you feel the need to sit on the sidelines here, don't venture to other sites. This place is a bastion of peace in an internet of turmoil.

[raulus]

Well, hopefully I’m not on the list of trolls.

I will admit to leaning heavily into the sarcasm trade, which often doesn’t communicate well in written form. And that could part of the story. For some of us, our written communications may come off more aggressive than intended.

It’s also likely that some people just take life too seriously. Maybe they just believe too much in the Cobra Kai mantra:

“We do not train to be merciful here. Mercy is for the weak. Here, in the streets, in competition: A man confronts you, he is the enemy. An enemy deserves no mercy.”

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by raulus

Well, hopefully I’m not on the list of trolls.

I will admit to leaning heavily into the sarcasm trade, which often doesn’t communicate well in written form. And that could part of the story. For some of us, our written communications may come off more aggressive than intended.

It’s also likely that some people just take life too seriously. Maybe they just believe too much in the Cobra Kai mantra:

“We do not train to be merciful here. Mercy is for the weak. Here, in the streets, in competition: A man confronts you, he is the enemy. An enemy deserves no mercy.”

For the most part, the people I've seen here reserve that mentality for price negotiations.

[doug.goodman]

I blame everything on the announcer team from the game last night, those guys were TERRIBLE, particularly the non-ex-player.

But the Tigers radio guy might be my new favorite announcer.

[bigfish]

Originally Posted by Belfast1933

I may regret posting this, but many times I have wanted to ask the question WHY are some here so ANGRY seemingly all the time?

This site is overflowing with collector experience, goodwill, willingness to share their knowledge with the rest of us. I have no doubt that the good here far outweighs the “angry few”

But I often have members tell me that they won’t post or they just watch without being active because they don’t want to subject themselves to the snarky and mean-spirited rips that sometimes comes with asking questions, starting discussions, etc.

Yeah, I usually don’t engage with the McNasty types, but it’s not always easy to “just ignore” the angry few. I think we all lose out when new members decide to sit on the sidelines and not contribute (with questions or answers) for fear of being the recipient of some members angry flexes.

What do I hope to get from this post?

I would love to see some “sideline only” members here reconsider their watch only approach and to feel comfortable chipping in with their questions, opinions and ideas without worry that they’ll take hits from the few but frequent cranks.

Very curious to see how this subject is perceived - also curious to hear from others. I just can’t imagine that I am the only one who is asking this question?

Jeff

I have been on here for approx 15 years. I think it’s a great forum run by great people. I do see people getting chippy when they see a pattern of a poster doing the same thing over and over. It tends to be when they don’t do their homework or are looking for others to do it. Also when they try to use the board for free advertising to pump their own tires.

When I first started here I posted for help with certain items. Items that were easy to google myself. Someone posted why don’t you google this. You know what they were right.

I like the balance on the board and think feedback.given is usually spot on. Like it or not.

Happy collection

Toby Peterson

[JollyElm]

I did this a while ago for one of my threads, but you can basically plug in any thread and it's still the case...

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[Peter_Spaeth]

With all the sales outlets in this hobby, the vast majority of which we all know of course, Jeff has found a way to get 15-25 percent more for consignors? Stunning if true.

That's what he says.
https://grossvintagebaseball.com/

Same page as "deep expertise," "unmatched knowledge [and] connections," etc.

No "hate" in this post, but certainly some skepticism.

[Kutcher55]

Snark can be a good thing sometimes in the face of hypocrisy or an evident lack of self awareness. Like basically any platform, things can occasionally go overboard. But overall this is a fine place and hard to top when it comes to the sharing of vintage collecting knowledge.

[Directly]

I'm very angry 1987 Fleer Michael Jordan Rookie cards sellers are asking obscene prices -- although guess Ill buy a couple more high end cards if I can-

[parkplace33]

Sadly, it’s ingrained in the hobby. Rarely do I find guys that want to help each other out. Everyone wants to maximize all the time.

Additionally, the amount of jealous in card collecting is absurd. I am happy when others add to their collection, but I feel that this is the minority view.

[MCyganik]

My two cents with an attempt at finding some levity.

I met Jeff once in person several years ago when he sold me a custom sign for my Red Sox man cave. He was nothing but courteous, thoughtful and nice. At that time we briefly discussed cards, his interest in Sports Illustrated magazines he found at the time and my interest in game used bats. He came across to me as someone who was pretty new in the hobby but earnest.

I can’t attest to his posts on here but Jeff has posted a lot of off-topic content in some of the Red Sox groups I frequent. At first it was about Red Sox stuff and his interest in making Red Sox signs and card shelves which was great, then mostly questions about the hobby, then after what I presume was an opportunity to sell/consign someone he knew locally’s vintage card collection, he turned it into a business. All of his posts became less about the Red Sox and all about his T206 cache. All of it appeared innocent enough, if slightly annoying since it was not relevant to strictly Red Sox groups. But I respected his passion and interest even if it appeared a bit misplaced.

While the website does appear to be misleading based on the level of knowledge/experience Jeff appears to have, I don’t see it much differently than some of the more experienced but even more ruthless businessmen who try to make their brand top of the market. Fake it til you make it. I could be wrong but I get the sense Jeff is less about trying to deceive others as he is just willing to put himself out there, at times to the annoyance of others, in order to start up a business.

This hobby tends to have a lot of gatekeepers who want to hold all the knowledge they have until they are dead (but obviously a lot of them are wonderful people). Jeff strikes me as someone who is genuinely interested in the hobby and willing to ask the questions, which we need, but perhaps goes too far with his reach, especially now if he is trying to establish a business. This can be a lightning rod for people which I get.

My only suggestion to Jeff is to keep doing what you love, just try to be mindful of who your audience is and how you represent yourself.

Take care,
Matt


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[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by MCyganik

My two cents with an attempt at finding some levity.

I met Jeff once in person several years ago when he sold me a custom sign for my Red Sox man cave. He was nothing but courteous, thoughtful and nice. At that time we briefly discussed cards, his interest in Sports Illustrated magazines he found at the time and my interest in game used bats. He came across to me as someone who was pretty new in the hobby but earnest.

I can’t attest to his posts on here but Jeff has posted a lot of off-topic content in some of the Red Sox groups I frequent. At first it was about Red Sox stuff and his interest in making Red Sox signs and card shelves which was great, then mostly questions about the hobby, then after what I presume was an opportunity to sell/consign someone he knew locally’s vintage card collection, he turned it into a business. All of his posts became less about the Red Sox and all about his T206 cache. All of it appeared innocent enough, if slightly annoying since it was not relevant to strictly Red Sox groups. But I respected his passion and interest even if it appeared a bit misplaced.

While the website does appear to be misleading based on the level of knowledge/experience Jeff appears to have, I don’t see it much differently than some of the more experienced but even more ruthless businessmen who try to make their brand top of the market. Fake it til you make it. I could be wrong but I get the sense Jeff is less about trying to deceive others as he is just willing to put himself out there, at times to the annoyance of others, in order to start up a business.

This hobby tends to have a lot of gatekeepers who want to hold all the knowledge they have until they are dead (but obviously a lot of them are wonderful people). Jeff strikes me as someone who is genuinely interested in the hobby and willing to ask the questions, which we need, but perhaps goes too far with his reach, especially now if he is trying to establish a business. This can be a lightning rod for people which I get.

My only suggestion to Jeff is to keep doing what you love, just try to be mindful of who your audience is and how you represent yourself.

Take care,
Matt

Speaking of levity, when I (too quickly) read your post, I thought it began with, "I met Jeff once in PRISON several years ago..."

So, I've recrafted the first part:
"I met Jeff once in prison several years ago when he helped me fashion a custom Teddy Ballgame themed shiv for my Red Sox man cave of a cell.
He was so courteous, thoughtful and nice, that we ended up sharing some laughs over a glass of my finest toilet wine. It ain't Sam Adams, but it did the job."

[OhioLawyerF5]

There are some things in this world that I am absolutely an expert in (not card related). However, as an expert, I know the need to learn every single day. And in those things, there are likely some things that seem basic and elementary to other experts that I have yet to learn or encounter. Just like there are lots of things I consider basic that those other experts don't know. Neither of those situations makes either of us less of an expert in that field. Remember, there is always someone out there who knows more than you. I am less concerned with someone who holds themself as an expert but is always willing to ask questions and learn, than someone who holds themselves as an expert and thinks they know it all.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

There are some things in this world that I am absolutely an expert in (not card related). However, as an expert, I know the need to learn every single day. And in those things, there are likely some things that seem basic and elementary to other experts that I have yet to learn or encounter. Just like there are lots of things I consider basic that those other experts don't know. Neither of those situations makes either of us less of an expert in that field. Remember, there is always someone out there who knows more than you. I am less concerned with someone who holds themself as an expert but is always willing to ask questions and learn, than someone who holds themselves as an expert and thinks they know it all.

Agreed. As my father (and surely other parents) used to say:

"How are you going to learn anything when you know everything already?"

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Agreed. As my father (and surely other parents) used to say:

"How are you going to learn anything when you know everything already?"

That's why we have the school of hard knocks, to teach us when we refuse to learn from other sources.