Where is the market?...is a "crash" coming

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yep. Spin the data to fit the thesis.

I thought Net54 was a "no spin zone" !!!

[cornhusker]

Originally Posted by BabyRuth

Just some food for thought:

1968 Topps 3-D Uncut sheet with Clemente and 2 proof cards


Summer 2023 REA Lot#1402 sold for $29,400

Fall 2023 REA Lot#2149 hi bid $13,000 - not sold reserve not met

Looks like the exact same sheet, with the exact same description for both auctions.

What a difference 3 months make!!!

3 month diff and at least 1 less serious bidder

[BabyRuth]

Just some food for thought:

Found another data point

1968 Topps 3-D Uncut sheet with Clemente and 2 proof cards

Spring 2018 REA Lot#1651 sold for $39,000

Summer 2023 REA Lot#1402 sold for $29,400

Fall 2023 REA Lot#2149 hi bid $13,000 - not sold reserve not met

Looks like the exact same sheet, with the exact same description for both auctions.

What a difference 3 months make and what a difference 5 years make!!!

[raulus]

Originally Posted by BabyRuth

Just some food for thought:

Found another data point

1968 Topps 3-D Uncut sheet with Clemente and 2 proof cards

Spring 2018 REA Lot#1651 sold for $39,000

Summer 2023 REA Lot#1402 sold for $29,400

Fall 2023 REA Lot#2149 hi bid $13,000 - not sold reserve not met

Looks like the exact same sheet, with the exact same description for both auctions.

What a difference 3 months make and what a difference 5 years make!!!

Yeah...

Appreciate the added data point, because it helps to suggest that maybe the 2023 sale wasn't a fake sale. Unless we're going to argue that the 2018 sale was also fake. I suppose as long as there can be 1 fake sale, then there can be multiple fake sales. Hell, they might all be fake sales. Aside from my own purchases, I suppose it's hard to really know for sure about anything else.

At the same time, even assuming all of these are good sales, I wouldn't read too much into these data points. This is just too much of a specialty item. A bidder or two can make a big difference, depending on whether they're paying attention, and whether they're in or out of the market at the moment for this piece.

[Leon]

+1 Awesome eye appeal cards are very strong. Others are mediocre.....
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Originally Posted by Vintageclout

Pricing for scarce pre-war immortals such as Ruth, Cobb, Wagner, Gehrig, Jackson, etc. are absolutely solid. As one example, Joe Jackson boldly proved that in REA last night with two record-setting rookie card sales, and the $117K price tag for his ever-elusive M101-6 issue. Don't see any retreat on those numbers in the near future. Regarding post-WWII cards, special attention is being placed on eye appeal for the grade (especially centering), with standout aesthetics as well as overall scarcity still driving strong premiums. Of course, this applies to the white whale players such as Mantle, Jackie, Mays, Aaron, Clemente, Koufax, Williams, etc. "So-so" visual appeal cards are experiencing value declines (especially for second-tier Hall of Famers), and as predicted by many, modern cards are taking a beating. Stick with baseball's "best of the best" all-timers, and you cannot go wrong.

[Fred]

You guys got to stop screwing with us sheep. Do we hold? Do we sell? Please tell us what we need to do.

I suppose it all depends on if the valuation is going to result in any financial issues for the card owners. I could burn every card I have and not worry about my financial well being because I don't consider the cardboard I have as being worth ANYTHING. Ok, so I only have a stack of Greg Jefferies rookie cards...

Edited to add - when I ick the bucket, that pile of Greg Jefferies will be a bonus to my family.

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