T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection?

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanx Lee for the inputs.

Come on guys, we need more inputs....check-out your "magnificent" T206 cards
and let's get some meaningful data to the above question ? ?

If a silly BARRY (Bonds) thread can generate 300+ responses on this Forum,
then why can't we get at least 100+ responses to this BARRY Arnold Thread ?

After all, this is meaningful stuff to us "obsessive" T206 collectors.

So far we have.....

Player.....150....350....EPDG....HINDU

Ames.......16............................2

Doyle.......16............................2

Ewing.......15.................3.........1

Jones.......16.................1..........3

Lindaman..16.................3.........5

Lundgren...18.......1........4.........0

Schulte.....19.................0.........2

Totals......116.......1.......11........15

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Ted,
The kids wore me out at the pool yesterday, and I'm slammed at work this morning, but I will post as much as I can tonight.
Be well Brian


PS I need more free time.........

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Posted By: Ray Piskadlo

In my collection, Lindaman, Ewing, Doyle (throwing), and Lundgren (Cubs)... all Piedmont or Sweet Cap 150.

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Posted By: Betty D

My TOm Jones (ST Louis) is EPDG, one of 6 EPDG in my collection of 550+ total cards (the others: Magee with Bat, Hallman, Ganley, Davidson & Burchell). Both my Lundgren Chicago and Lindaman are Piedmont 150.

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Posted By: Jim Rivera

In my collection

Ames&Doyle are Hindu
Ewing,Jones and Lindaman are SC 150
Lungren is Piedmont 150
Schulte 2-Pied and SC 150

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanx....Ray....Betty....Jim

Your data has been tabulated. its nice to see more EPDG and HINDU backs on
these cards.

And, so far no additional "350 Subjects" backs.

Keep the data rollng guys.....there are many of you with formidable T206
collections on this Forum.......let's hear from you ?

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Posted By: leon

heck, not sure what ya'll are doing but here's my few types of backs from t206's....if there's more info you need just ask and I will get it this evening....right now I am working (I left the prices I paid....and have acquired them over the last 5-8 yrs)..nothing special


T206 Old Mill Coles fr 30
T206 Polar Bear Knight vg 30
T206 Amer.Beauty Schlei vg 70.
..460 subjects
T206 Amer.Beauty Nichols vg-ex 70.
..350 Subjects
T206 Amer.Beauty Strang vg-ex 70.
..350 Sub.-ornate borders
T206 Sovereign150 Davis gd-vg 28.
T206 SOvereign350 Birmingham vg 27
T206 Sovereign460 Herzog gd+ 30.
T206 Broadleaf350 Moeller-NJ gd-vg 20.
T206 Carolina Br. Mcaleese vg-ex 70
T206 Sweet Cap Home Run Baker SGC 70 175.
..350-460
T206 EPDG Magee vg 20
T206 Cycle-460 Geyer vg 100
T206 Uzit Leach vg-ex 350
T206 Lenox Meyers vg-ex 265.
T206 Hindu-Brown Marquard-hands/hips GD 75.
T206 SweetCap/150 Marquard-hands/hips PSA2 52.
..factory overprint
T206 Pied/350 Wallace-Port. gd-vg 40.
T206 Pied/350 Bender port gd + 20
T206 Pied/350 Willis pr 10
T206 Pied/350 Marquard-Port. GD-VG 75.
T206 Pied/350-460 Marquard GD 75.
..throwing
T206 Sweet Cap Mathewson GD-VG 150.
..350-460 black cap
T206 SweetCap/350 Mordecai Brown/port GD mk 50.
..lt.pencil/back
T206 Tolstoi Burch VG 30.

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Posted By: Cat

I have a few different backs of HOFers, so perhaps this may help. Look at the bottom of page one and the top of page two.

http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/Cosbro/Collection/

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Posted By: joe

Nothing rare here, but here are my backs.

Bush Old Mill
Cobb Red Piedmont 350
Cobb Green Piedmont 150
Cobb Bat on Piedmont 150
Cobb bat off Piedmont 350-460
Crawford throwing Sovereign 350
Crawford batting Piedmont 350-460
Donovan Portrait Piedmont 150
Donovan Pitching Piedmont 350
Jennings Portrait Piedmont 350
Jennings Yelling right hand Sweet Caporal 350
Jennings both hands Cycle 460
Jones Cycle 350
Killian portrait Piedmont 350
Killian Pitching Piedmont 150
McIntyre Piedmont 350
Moriarty Piedmont 350
Mullen Portrait Piedmont 350
Mullen batting Sweet Caporal 340-460
Mullen Pitching Sovereign 150
O'Leary Portrait Piedmont 350
O'Leary Hands on Knees Piedmont 350
Rossman Sovereign 350
Schaefer Sovereign 150
Schmidt Portrait Sweet Caporal 350
Schmidt Throwing Sweet Caporal 350
Stanage Piedmont 350
Summers Piedmont 350
Willett batting Piedmont 350
Willetts Pitching Sweet Caporal 350

Joe

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Posted By: ockday

bergen batting
stovall batting

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Posted By: cn

I have the following EPDG,s in my collection , Marquard-hands at waist,Howell hands at waist,Shannon,Tannehill-Washington,Geyer,Stephens,Phillipe. CN

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Posted By: Ray Piskadlo

There are two surveys going on it appears...

1. How rare are EPDG Backs?
2. Ted is tabulating a list of backs for the following cards only:

1. Ames (front)
2. Doyle (throw)
3. Ewing
4. Tom Jones (St. Louis)
5. Lindaman
6. Lundgren (Cubs)
7. Schulte (Cubs)

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

LEON

Ray correctly described what is happening in this Thread. We have a sub-set
of Barry's original topic and that is what additional T206's are found only as
150 Subjects cards. There are 9 well-documented cards in this category, and
it has been theorized that, perhaps, there are 7 more.

This came up early in this Thread and as a consequence I've started tabulating
inputs on these 7 cards from Forum members (see above Table). The collective
knowledge and T206 collections represented in this Forum is a tremendous
resource for a survey like this.

I think I probably should have initiated a distinct Thread on this subject, but
we all were having a lot of fun....so this is it.

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Posted By: Bill

Here are the cards that I have with EPDG backs:

Ball (Cleveland)
Barger
Berger
Clarke (Pittsburg, Portrait)
Delehanty (Washington)
Donovan (Portrait)
Graham (St. Louis)
Kling
Lavender
Murphy (Batting)
Schlafly
Tinker (Portrait)


Here are the backs that Ted is tracking:

Ames (Hands at Chest) Piedmont 150
Doyle (Throwing) Piedmont 150
Ewing Sweet Caporal 150 Fac.649
Jones Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 30
Jones Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 649
Lindaman Piedmont 150
Lundgren Chicago Piedmont 150
Schulte Front Piedmont 150

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Posted By: steve yawitz

My Jones is a Sweet Cap 150-Factory 649.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

I only have one EPDG in my whole collection:

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Posted By: leon

It's all good...don't think we will break 300 posts like the Bonds Steroid thread but this one is much more oriented towards what this board is all about. No need to reply but if you need any other info from my few cards let me know. It's pretty funny though....since I posted them I have had a few private emails about selling or trading some..... On the T206's I am only collecting the backs, for the most part, but that certainly wasn't my intention of posting. Did ya see what I had to pay for my Uzit in vg-ex? It was in the same group I got one of my AWH E222's in....and had to pay $200 for it..in gd-vg....those days are over I think....regards

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Posted By: J Hull

Ted,
I've got 2 Lindamans and a Ewing all P150 backs.

And I don't own them, but I believe I've seen Tom Jones with P350 (twice) and EPDG (once) on eBay this year.

Jamie

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Posted By: drew

Hi Everybody

I have four EPDG in my T206 collection.
Mullin Horizontal
Campbell
Schlei Catching
Weimer

150 Series
Ames Piedmont SC
Doyle Piedmont SC
Ewing Piedmont (2)
Jones Piedmont Hindu
Lindaman Piedmont
Lundgren Piedmont
Schulte Piedmont



Drew

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Hey there...

I've looked through my T206s, there are about 515 of them...

6 are EPDG. And that surprised me, figured there were about a dozen before I saw this thread, and thought there might only be 2 or 3 after reading but before looking. Saw more Cycles than I recalled, and only saw one Hindu, thought I had 3 or 4 of those.

Are you wanting to know backs of other cards? Which ones, and I'll dig through them again.

Frank.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks Steve Y., Bill, J Hull, and Drew for your inputs. They have been
tabulated.

J Hull
I entered the 3 cards you have; but, I did not enter the 3 - Jones' that
you noted seeing on ebay since you did not sound too certain. And, since
there are 4 - Jones in the set, 3 of which are typically 350 backs, I cannot
accept them as valid. So far, I have been tabulating cards that are actually
in personal collections. Please understand this.

The present (9 PM) total is 63 - "150 Subjects" (Piedmont, Sweet Caporal)....
1 - Piedmont 350 (Lundgren)......7 - EPDG......4 - HINDU.

Note....Not one Sovereign 150 has been reported....."very interesting".

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Posted By: Mike Tucci (18colt)

Ted -

I have . . .

Ames and Jones -- SC 150
Doyle and Ewing -- Pied 150

Earlier post of mine mentioned Lundgren and Lindaman (both Pied 150) and my EPDG cards (so don't tabulate again).

Good luck, and thanks for tabulating.

Mike (18colt)

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Posted By: T206Collector

I only have three out of 520:







(One of the nice things about SGC is I don't have to show both the front and the back -- and the backs all look the same anyway...)

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Posted By: barry arnold

t rex et al,

couldn't wait to get home to check out things and it's already after 10pm

great work tabulating. it looks like epdg continues to be rarer than we thought and it looks like your cards continue to be 150's!
we still need more of a sampling, don't we?!

your point about the sov. 150 very interesting---

keep it coming! we need you Brian W.

best,

herbivore barry

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Posted By: Brian E.

Here's my EPDG...I must admit that I like Hal's better and would gladly trade.



Brian E.

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Posted By: Ron

Hi Ted,
Going over my set and I found 6 EPDG.
BARGER
CICOTTE
JIMMY COLLINS
HERZOG
PFEFFER
TANNEHILL
and one that was stolen 10yrs ago a nm white cap mathewson. One of my
nicest t-206's

Ames hands at chest sweet cap 150
Doyle pied 150
ewing pied 150
jones pied 150
lindaman pied 150 and hindu
ludgren pied 150
shulte sweet 150

Hopes this helps alittle.

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Posted By: Marty

I have five EDPG
Abbott, Hofman, Lattimore, Leifield and McQuillan

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Posted By: JimB

Been out of town for a few days. Great thread. I have
555 T206s and
7 EPDGs

Like some others, when I was going through piles of t206s when piecing my set together I went out of my way to pick up as many different backs as possible. Whenever I found an EPDG of a card that I did not have in vg/ex or better, I bought bought it (given that the price was reasonable). I don't know if this matters, but my set was mostly pieced together by going through dealer inventories, not ebay.
JimB

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

Dang Ron, I was hoping I had the only Lindaman Hindu.

2 Lundgren 350s mentioned after I noted my SGC one was probably a 350, Chuck & caramelcard

Lee

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Posted By: Martin Neal

I was surprised to only find two EPDGs in a group of 475 t206s.
The two I have are Bridwell and Chase blue portrait. I just recently sold two graded EPDGs (Tinker and Bresnahan portrait).

150 series

Schulte
Lindaman
Lundgren
Ames
Jones

Doyle (polar bear)

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Ted,
I'll have more later, but here are my numbers so far:


1. Ames (front)I have a Hindu
2. Doyle (throw)I have a Hindu
3. Ewing I have a Hindu
4. Tom Jones (St. Louis)I have a Hindu
5. Lindaman I have reports of atleast 1 350, but have not seen a scans yet.
6. Lundgren (Cubs) Have seen 3 EPDG's
7. Schulte (Cubs) Joe P is the only one who claims to have a 350.
Have seen 4 Lindman Hindu's including yours Lee, and 2 Schulte Hindu's.


Talk to you soon Brian

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

BARRY A

This Thread is very revealing and I hope Scot Reader is following it.
However, Barry, I have somewhat "hi-jacked" your original intent and I hope
you don't mind. It has become a "Two for One" survey.

Mike T....Ron....Martin N....thank you for your inputs, I will be tabulating
your numbers this AM.

Martin Neal, check your Larry Doyle, it cannot be his "throwing pose"; as there
are no Polar Bear backs in the 150 Series.

JimB and T206Collector....we would appreciate your inputs on these 7 cards of
interest ?

And still.....no SOVEREIGN backs on these "suspicious 7"......this is becoming
very, very interesting and may well lead to a new survey (on a new Thread).

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Posted By: john/z28jd

Lee,is that the Lundgren you sold to me off that wannabe(cant think of the name of it) ebay site last year for the hurricane relief?

I dont know offhand how many or who i have with EPDG backs but if the thread is still going on the weekend ill chime in.

BTW,am i the only person who's never written down which specific back each card has? I could tell you the brand but ive never noted which series it is,except with Pied 42's. I went probably 3 years figuring i had all the American Beauty backs but when i actually sat down and looked i only had 1 of the 3 versions and had to buy the other 2 right away.I never noted the backs but figured i had enough AB's to at least have one of each

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Posted By: Martin Neal

Ted, thanks for pointing that out. I listed Joe Doyle instead of Larry. The Larry Doyle throwing is a 150 series.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Martin Neal

No problem guy.....and, I do not mean to be "picky".....but, it is important that
you tell me which Tobacco brands your 6 cards are in the 150 Series ?

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Posted By: dd

Great thread. I'll get on it tonite.

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Posted By: T206Collector

What backs I have for the following seven (7) cards:

Ames (front) - SC 150
Doyle (throw) - P 150
Ewing - SC 150
Tom Jones (St. Louis) - P 150
Lindaman - SC 150
Lundgren (Cubs) - P 150
Schulte (Cubs) - SC 150

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Posted By: rob

I think the only one I have on this list is the Doyle, mine is a P150.

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Posted By: JimB

Ted,
Of the 7 you listed, all of mine are P150s except Schulte (Cubs) is SC 150.
JimB

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

SGC's pop report lists one 1909 Sovereign back for Lindaman and Tom Jones. There appears to be a few 150 onlys with a single Sov 150 back. It is still tough to read the SGC pop reports if the player has multiple poses.

Lee

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thank you Mike T, Ron, Martin N, Brian W and JimB for your inputs.

The total as of 1;30 today is.......

PIEDMONT 150 or SWEET CAPORAL 150 backs = 84

El PRINCIPE de GALES backs = 10

HINDU backs = 14

And, there is one "P350" back which I am beginning to question at this point.
We have examined 108 cards and just 1 - P350 really raises a "flag" in mind.
Sorry, guys but I am very skeptical at this point regarding this one input.

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Posted By: RayB

I found after looking at my 120 or so cards that only one card is EPDG. Thats a PSA 2 Maddox.
RayB

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Posted By: barry arnold

keep it going Ted.
great work.
i love the various tributaries opening up---feels like
discoveries! Lee B.'s on to the 150 sovereign issue on
another thread so it looks like tributaries/discoveries
are abounding!!

what a great hobby!

best,

barry

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Posted By: Martin Neal

Ted, I just got back. the brands are:

Schulte - SC150
Lindaman - SC150
Lundgren - P150
Ames - P150
Jones - P150
Doyle - P150

Also, I just recently sold an Ewing with a Sweet Caporal 150 factory 649 back.

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Posted By: Rich Jacobs

Only one about of about 100 cards: Mathewson w/ black cap.

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Posted By: Troy

Out of my meager collection I have two EPDG backs (Lindaman and Doolin(sic) portrait)

So my contribution is:
Lindaman EPDG
Lundgren (Chc)Pied 150
and Ames (Hands in Front)SC 150

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

These are the backs on the other 7 cards you guys are tracking:


Ames, hands at chest - Piedmont 150 fac 25
Doyle, throwing - Sweet Caporal 150 fac 25
Ewing - Sovereign 150 fac 24
Jones, St Louis - Piedmont 150 fac 25
Lindaman, Boston - Sovereign 150 fac 24
Lundgren, Chicago - Piedmont 150 fac 25
Schulte, Chicago - Piedmont 150 fac 25


Frank W.

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Posted By: Art M.

Nice thread. Here are my T206's for Ted's back surveys:

Ames (chest) SC150, SC150, SC150 (all factory 30)
Doyle (throw) Pied150, Pied150, SC150 factory 30
Ewing P150, SC150 factory 30
Tom Jones P150, SC150, SC150 (both SC are factory 30), Hindu
Lindaman P150, Sov150
Schulte (Cubs) P150, SC150, SC150 (both SC are factory 30)


EPDG:
Bush
Crawford, batting
Donovan, portrait
Jennings, 1 hand
Jennings, 2 hands
Jennings, portrait
Killian, pitching
Mullin, batting
Mullin, throwing
O'Leary, hands on knees
O'Leary, portrait
Schaefer, Detroit
Stanage
Willetts, batting
Brain
McCormick
Wilhelm, batting
Needham
Myers, fielding
Clarke, Cleveland
Criger
Titus

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Posted By: barry arnold

Art,

i count 22 epdg. a bit more than most.
out of what total?
did you make an effort to collect this particular back.

many thanks for the efforts

best,

barry

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Posted By: Art M.

Barry,
Most of my EPDG backs are in my Detroit collection (14).
The 22 total EPDG backs are out of around 1200 total T206.
Art