SGC and Back Damage?

[timelord]

Greetings all. I have a card from the E135 Collins-McCarthy set with some slight back damage. It has just a few spots but does affect some of the text on back. What grade do you think it would get from SGC? Just curious as this is a key card from the set. Look forward to some comments.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Will grade either 10 or 20 at the most would be my guess without seeing a scan of the card.

[quinnsryche]

I agree with Phil, 20 max, probably a 10.

[timelord]

Thanks guys. That is what I thought. Real shame because this is a key to the set. The front is very nice but I know they reduce the grade significantly for BD.

[srs1a]

I've seen some SGC-30 (2)'s with modest back damage recently -- before this, I would have agreed 100% with the commentary above. This one is on eBAY now.





http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-1911-T206-E...item1c1d251da4

[terjung]

Agree with others here... if the back has extremely minor paper loss, it has an outside chance at a 30. Otherwise 10 or 20 depending on severity.

[tbob]

My latest submission came back with a blank backed card which looked like a 60 from the front but minor back damage and it received a 10 so I am guessing a 10 for your card. At least SGC is consistent and you know going in that your card will get thrashed for minor back damage, no surprises.

[JamesGallo]

Depends on the size and placement. Also I think they take in the reason for the damage and how the rest of the card looks.

Grades can be anywhere between a 10-40.

That being said an SGC 10 with damage like that will sell for a huge price premium over what a "normal" 10 will.

I would call the Hornsby the 3rd key with the Ruth and Jackson being bigger even though it is the Hornsby RC :-D

James G

[timelord]

Maybe I will scan the back and post it here. You guys can take a look and grade it yourselves. Then you can mail me a net54baseball numerical certification. Sound good?

[bobbyw8469]

I guess it all depends on the severity. Here is a 1.5 I just sold...


Front looked fabulous! They really hammer the back.

[timelord]

I am wondering if anyone on the board here has an E135 Rogers Hornsby with back damage and had it graded? Would like to see what grade it received.
I will post my back this evening.

[timelord]

Greetings, I added the photo of the back of the card.

[terjung]

After looking at the back scan, it is definitely not a 10. It could come back either with a 20 or a 30. If you can find some similar cards in a 30 holder, you can submit those as exemplars. That's what I'd do - in order to try to support the case for a 30. It may end up being a 20 though.

[ls7plus]

I agree with James G. 100% that an example with back damage but excellent eye appeal will absolutely crush a well-worn, creased version of the same card in the same technical grade. We've run a variation of that thread before.

Best of luck in getting it graded!

Larry

[M's_Fan]

PSA is less harsh on back damage if you are purely looking to maximize the grade....

[bunst]

I always thought it would be helpful if slabbed cards had 2 grades, one for the front and one for the back. Some collectors (including me) don't care about the back as long as the front is nice. As someone said, I'd take a "P" or "10" graded card with decent corners and no creases, but with paper loss or marks on the back rather than a mangled card with little eye appeal. Doesn't seem fair that both are equally considered Poor.

[LanceRoten]

Originally Posted by bunst

I always thought it would be helpful if slabbed cards had 2 grades, one for the front and one for the back. Some collectors (including me) don't care about the back as long as the front is nice. As someone said, I'd take a "P" or "10" graded card with decent corners and no creases, but with paper loss or marks on the back rather than a mangled card with little eye appeal. Doesn't seem fair that both are equally considered Poor.

I'll agree. As for myself the backs just don't concern me unless everythinbg has been removed, marked over, etc.. I don't display the card backs

[DICKTOWLE]

Originally Posted by timelord

greetings all. I have a card from the e135 collins-mccarthy set with some slight back damage. It has just a few spots but does affect some of the text on back. What grade do you think it would get from sgc? Just curious as this is a key card from the set. Look forward to some comments.

is this paper missing on the back or paper attached to the back, if this is paper attached it can be removed.

[terjung]

Originally Posted by DICKTOWLE

is this paper missing on the back or paper attached to the back, if this is paper attached it can be removed.

Pretty doubtful that it is paper attached. Looks like paper loss to me - especially on the bottom of the crest.

The more I look at it, the more I think it'll get a 20. Still a great card! I love cards with great eye appeal and a small flaw that knocks the technical grade down... especially if the flaw is on the back. If sold, I'd bet this one would bring a nice premium over a standard 20.